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Subj: Devious, Savage, Exploitative
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 at 12:16:48 pm EDT (Viewed 132 times)
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 at 06:05:11 am EDT (Viewed 164 times)
Because movie Loki and movie Killian are both vastly more entertaining that movie Victor Domashev.
Quote:The rings are astonishingly powerful.
Not when Stan Lee was writing them, nor when Kurt Busiek was writing them, nor when the Knaufs were writing them.
Quote:Without the rings, what is he? A powerful martial artist.
Devious, savage, exploitative, and interesting.
Quote:With the knowledge of alien science - but he got the rings from the same source. Can you really have one without the other?
Speaking of his alien science; his more interesting schemes downplay that and have him do things like kidnapping scientists and enslaving them. He's presented as devious and exploitative rather than someone possessing cosmic science.
Despite all this, I don't want to get rid of the rings. I just think his most interesting stories are when they aren't particularly powerful. The Mandarin is at his best when he's basically a combination of movie Loki, the devious schemer and weak illusionist, and movie Aldrich Killian, the political schemer and exploiter/enslaver of scientists who becomes a karate-chopping savage when his schemes fall apart.
Movie Loki was cool because his illusions were juuuust powerful enough to compliment his devious scheming without rendering them superfluous. If he could have wrapped the world in a cosmic illusion, he would have been painfully lame. Movie Aldrich Killian was an entertaining blend of cunning, exploitative, and savage, and he had no one ability that rendered any part of that superfluous.
Victor Domashev was cosmically powerful. He would just slowly walk around acting vaguely regal and looking down his nose at people as he did everything with a casual wave of his cosmic hand. He was painfully lame. I don't want that fate for The Mandarin. Stan Lee's Mandarin was about as personally powerful as movie Loki and movie Aldrich Killian combined. That's plenty. That's interesting. Victor Domashev is boring.
The Mandarin is devious, savage, and exploitative.
If the rings are so powerful that the Mandarin doesn't need to be devious, then the rings are too powerful.
If the rings are so powerful that the Mandarin doesn't need to be savage, then the rings are too powerful.
If the rings are so powerful that the Mandarin doesn't need to be exploitative, then the rings are too powerful.