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Reverend Meteor

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Nathan Summers

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Subj: Re: Anyone recall this?
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 at 08:03:33 am EST (Viewed 174 times)
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Unresolved plot from Force Works #18, a chapter of The Crossing storyline (the gift like the Spider-Clone Saga that keeps on giving) constructed in 1995 under the auspices of then-Avengers group editor, Gruenwald, which has Suzi Endo and Rachel Carpenter (Spider-Woman II’s daughter) discovering temporal radiation emanating from a previously-unknown sub-basement containing Virgil, a “global chronography analysis and control suite” created by Timely Industries, a company founded by Tony Stark in 2009.

“Victor Timely” was one of Kang the Conqueror’s aliases from the early 20th Century. That is, in Avengers Annual #21, written by Gruenwald, Kang journeys back to January 1, 1901 to found the town of Timely in Wisconsin under this same alias, slowly releasing technological innovations through Timely Industries.

If Timely Industries wasn’t founded until 2009, it must have been constructed in numerous time periods at once, an anachronism back in 1901 too.

While this is somewhat head-exploding, the corollary that should really bake noodles is that Mark Gruenwald not only had KANG THE CONQUEROR revealed to have founded Timely Industries but had TONY STARK revealed as founding this same company!?!?!?

Gruenwald, whose particular remit was keeper of continuity never made these sorts of errors so was he intending to retcon Kang’s identity as Nathaniel Richards and reveal that Tony Stark eventually goes on to become Kang?!

The question then becomes if Tony was so obsessed with preventing people from using his technology in Armor Wars, why would he then go to the trouble of going back in time to foment Marvel’s technological revolution from 1901?

Interesting if Tony Stark was intended as Kang, interesting that Tobias goes back in time and kills his parents, thus closing the loop. This would seem to suit Mantis’s motives if wanting to end up with the Vision, but I doubt Kang would support such a venture!

Then going back to the original Celestial Madonna saga, this might suggest that Immortus had manipulated Vision to spurn Mantis so she would marry the Elder Cotati and produce a child he could manipulate in opposition to Kang.

Also love that the possible implication of Vision merging his body with Teen Tony during the conclusion in an effort to heal him leads to his going on to become Iron Lad.


Couldn't Tony just steal the company name. It's not like Kang would sue.






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