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Subj: Re: You make many good points.
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 11:00:16 pm EST (Viewed 680 times)
Reply Subj: Re: You make many good points.
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 09:13:03 pm EST (Viewed 698 times)
Quote:Yes, the excellent DC animation. For some reason, the cartoons were able to hire people with an outstanding knowledge of who the characters are, and a vision that has set the standard for DC story-telling. Many fans consider Kevin Conroy to be the definitive Batman. And Superman and Wonder Woman were never better than in the animated series. Given how well received that work was, it's bewildering that DC didn't bring Bruce Timm, et al to the table when trying to create a cinematic universe.
They really did an amazing job. And they built and self corrected as they went. They realized they overused knocking down Superman to show the bad guys power, and stopped doing it. And going from Justice League to JLU to expand the possibilities of the show was inspired. That show ran the range from dark and heavy to hysterically funny. (Learning "This Little Piggy" was a Bewitched homage made me amazed I didn't notice it.)
Quote:Can a retcon even be considered canon? The change they made in 2011 was directly a result of DC eyeing a movie franchise. And they felt they needed a black person in there. And that's fine. But, why Cyborg? Why a hero who had never been a member, and who's inclusion would seem artificial? Why not Vixen? She was an actual member, and another woman, which would make Diana less of a token. Or better yet, why not the Martian Manhunter? He may be green in his natural form, but it could have been a powerful story to have him adopt a human identity that was part of a traditionally oppressed group to see how those who are different are treated on Earth. To me, Cyborg is just another example of lazy writing.
If its in the comics, unfortunately sometimes, that means its cannon. Just like the Star Wars Prequels...they happened.
I was just as befuddled in the 80's when he showed up in Super Friends.
When the Nu52 was coming I had a long rant. One thing I questioned was how does replacing the one green guy with an African American and still only having one woman on the team add diversity.
Quote:You know, I actually really enjoyed the Burton take on Penguin. I usually hate changes to characters, but in the comics, Penguin was always a one-dimensional, gimmicky villain. Trick umbrellas? Bird themed crimes? Penguin may have been Batman's number two villain, but he was always on a par with Captain Boomerang to me. So, Burton giving him a better story worked for me (I'm aware of the irony)..
Hey, I just praised Batman and Robin, I'm in no position to question other people's movie likes.
Quote:If it had been me making the movie, the original members would've started the team, after having been introduced in their own movies. J'onn would adopt a black American identity to satisfy the diversity crowd. Hal, Barry, and Arthur would all be accurately portrayed, and would NOT be relegated to supporting status (like poor Cyclops in the X-Men franchise). The opening villain would have been Despero. Clark is vulnerable to telepathic attack, which would keep him from beating Despero single-handed. And the mind control angle could have given us the opportunity to see the League fighting each other, before confronting the villain. Subsequent films would bring in the Atom, Hawkman and Hawkgirl, and Green Arrow (all having been given their own films). Most importantly, the creative team from the Justice League animated series would've handled the writing. To this day, the dialogue from that show makes me smile. If a cartoon can give us such brilliant and emotionally fulfilling entertainment, then why settle for anything less from a movie?
Despero. That's inspired! He fits the bill for everything. I too wish they built it up organically starting with the individuals. But they didn't. I"m guessing if the Justice League film was released on its own, I'd probably still enjoy it, but nit pick a lot more, like I did with Green Lantern. As its such an improvement over the previous Superman treatments, I guess I'm happier.
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