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USAgentfan

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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BLACKSTONE

Subj: Re: Punisher Nightmare continuity.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 11:00:38 am EST (Viewed 317 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Punisher Nightmare continuity.
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I think this series has been written a couple of years ago...2010, maybe, before Rucka did his retcon...

And I don't mind the retcon, personnally. To me, Vietnam was topical. It was the war going on at the time of Castle's creation. Sliding timelines are how characters don't age in real time. IRON MAN's origin was set in Viet Nam as well and that has moved on.

I know that Frank has been rejuvinated twice-angel crap and FrankenCrap-but, those stories have thoroughly forgotten and ignored, and thankfully so.

Also, before someone counterargues and mentions Cap and Fury: one has supersoldier serum and the other has Eternity Formula in his blood.

I realise weve had the retcon debate before, but I would maintain that I disagree with Ruckas 'a war, is a war, is a war' opinion.

I still maintain that the opinions, feelings and politics displayed by Frank over many, many years are more unique to Vietnam than any other modern conflict.

Since then actual conflict has become somewhat sanitised. That was the last time American troops faced an enemy in close quarters to any great degree. It was Americas longest and dirtiest war, and one which carries an undertone of shame from the way the foot soldier was treated by his commanders, his government and his fellow Americans - and Frank endured three Marine tours of it.

I know politics, war profiteering and negative public perception have played a role in every American conflict since, but Gulf I was as swift and clean an American conflict as we'll probably ever have in modern times, and I simply cannot believe that the six months or so that Frank would have spent in the gulf and the things he would have experienced there could have shaped him into the character we see on the page.

Really, saying Vietnam isnt integral to the character if like saying that Vietnam wasnt integral to Rambo in the first of his movies. It was - it was absolutely integra -, and theres no way that a 'clean' war like Gulf I could have produced someone as damaged, tortured, victimised or embitterd as Rambo, or Frank Castle.

I'm also loathe to acknowledge Angel-Castle or Franken Castle, but they did happen. We dont need to remember them in any detail, other than the fract that they both gave a perfectly plausable (for a comic) excuse for why a 60 year old man is still kicking ass today.


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