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Subj: Vision and the Torch
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 at 06:13:37 am EST (Viewed 153 times)
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 at 01:13:44 pm EST (Viewed 129 times)
Going off some dusty memories but Johnny Storm was called the Human Torch by Stan Lee as they apparently didn't want to think of another name to use and that Marvel didn't at the time want to bring back any of the golden age characters like Torch, Cap and Namor.
Then fan demand spoke and we get Cap retconned into being on ice since the war and Namor wandering amnesiac until Johnny stumbled across him.
But the Torch was left behind until Immortus gives Vision a journey of "Discovery" and we learned that Vision is really a reformatted Torch.
Ultron forces Torch's creator to reformat his body and remove the flame powers and give him density control, the solar jewel on the head, the laser eyes, but it was Ultron that had to erase his memory banks and program him with Simon's brain waves. Thus the Torch was considered dead.
Yet things didnt seem right on that origin trip that Vision had as the Torch was supposedly buried in the funeral scenario of the Mad Thinker that trapped Toro and led to Toro's demise, a demise that made no sense by the way. How does someone with flame powers and can absorb flame perish in a fiery explosion? Plus there is the abandoned plot thread of the Professor Raymond from Power Pack who exhibited flame powers....
So there was apparently a Torch in a grave and a Torch reformatted into the Vision. I liked the explanation that was given that Ultron built the Vision from spare parts left over from the Torch being built. That made sense.
Then came Avengers Forever were Immortus is again used....and he temporally split Torch into two Torches, one becomes the Vision one remains the Torch thus the initial origin story of Vision is preserved.
What a Gordian knot the Torch has become.