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Menshevik

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Subj: Re: Thomas and Englehart
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 at 03:52:28 am EST (Viewed 73 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Thomas and Englehart
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 at 12:18:16 am EST (Viewed 90 times)



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    Well the Torch at times was written as having some mechanical parts and at other times, not having mechanical parts.



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    Clearly the writers had their own ideas about the construction of the android Torch, and also as I recall the "Horton" that we saw in the Avengers West Coast stories where Vision was dismantled was one of Immortus' Space Phantoms impersonating Horton as part of the overall plan.



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    A more definitive detailed analysis of Torch's construction was done by the Mad Thinker in the Torch 8 issue miniseries that had the Thinker restore the Torch to functionality.


Looking in The Official Marvel Index to The Avengers #7 (1988) I see that this is actually something that touches on the Mad Thinker's and the original Human Torch's appearance in Fantastic Four Annual #4 (1966 - the Golden Age Torch's first modern appearance). The scenes of the original Human Torch going into the desert to die after the end of his 1950s adventures and that of the Mad Thinker finding his body and reviving him (this takes several months) are shown in flashback by Steve Englehart in Avengers #134 (1975), presumably at least in part based on information contained in FF Annual #4. In #135 Englehart added the flashback sequences where Ultron-5 broke into the Thinker's lab to abduct the Torch (inert again after the fight in FF Annual #4) and at the same time erase Quasimodo's memories of Ultron (to square things with Quasimodo's appearance in FF Annual #5, ah the joys of retconning!), of Ultron-5 locating Phineas Horton to help him revive the Torch and convert him to the Vision, and of Ultron-5 killing Horton and then transferring Wonder Man's memories (recorded by Henry Pym) to the Vision.


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    Horton apparently created artificial cells that Thinker dubbed Horton Cells. The cells contain great amounts of energy, are synthetic, etc and that Torch's body is apparently completely constructed of them and that combustion was an unintended side effect. Thinker learned how to recreate the cells and thus was able to regenerate the Torch and witness the new cells forming where needed to put Torch back together from when he was blown apart the last time.



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    Despite the Thinker's study of the Torch, which I think Richards later in that series verified, and despite Avengers Forever showing Immortus replicating the Torch so that one could be the Vision, I think both Torch and Vision should submit to a thorough comparison and analysis by Henry Pym and have The Mad Thinker in on it as well. The Thinker is well versed on the design of the Torch as is Pym.



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    Ultron clearly modified the Torch he had found, likely he added mechanical parts to it and somehow switched the powers from flame to density control and super strength. Clearly the real Horton was forced to help him until Ultron killed him. But what other changes did he do to the Vision? Also could the Vision's powers be adjusted so that he again has Torch powers?





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