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Subj: Re: Vision and the Torch
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 at 07:57:48 pm EST (Viewed 66 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Vision and the Torch
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 at 09:46:31 am EST (Viewed 71 times)

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    Going off some dusty memories but Johnny Storm was called the Human Torch by Stan Lee as they apparently didn't want to think of another name to use and that Marvel didn't at the time want to bring back any of the golden age characters like Torch, Cap and Namor.



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    Then fan demand spoke and we get Cap retconned into being on ice since the war and Namor wandering amnesiac until Johnny stumbled across him.


I would guess that in the case of Johnny Storm they wanted to protect their trademark and copyrights, and since they gave Johnny the same powers as the Golden Age Human Torch (last seen less than a decade earlier in the Atlas revival) anyway, they might as well give him the name of their own old character.(1) You could even see DC's Silver Age Flash and Green Lantern etc. (similar powers to their Golden Age characters of the same name) serving as precedents. In the case of Reed and Sue, who got similar powers to non-Timely heroes from the 1940s (to wit Plastic Man and Invisible Scarlet O'Neill) they had to make up new names. ;\-\)

(1) Origin and age-wise one could however say that Johnny is actually closer to Toro than the original Human Torch.

Not sure how determined Stan and Jack were not to bring back the Golden Age heroes at that point. After all, Namor returned as early as FF #4, which came out the same month Marvel launched its second superhero title of the Silver Age (Incredible Hulk #1).

The way Captain America was brought back also shows how Lee and Kirby were flying by the seat of their pants, because it failed to take Cap's mid-1950s appearances into account (perhaps not that surprisingly as IIRC Jack Kirby did not draw those). The 1950s Captain America and Bucky then had to be explained rather later...



I think they were pretty determined to not bring back the golden age characters as Bucky was kept dead for years due to Stan decreeing "no sidekicks".


Also Bucky being dead was a nice source of angst for Cap


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