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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Re: Android Torch, the Vision and Immortus
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 08:39:43 am EST (Viewed 92 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Android Torch, the Vision and Immortus
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 07:45:33 am EST (Viewed 104 times)





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    No, you misunderstood my question. Why do we need Wonder Man in the Vision's origin story? What gap did he fill in that particular story?


I think Roy thought Vision needed some spark of humanity. We're used to robots like Data who proved their worth without being human. Maybe back when the Vision was introduced the idea of a robot being accepted completely wasn't something people considered. So Roy just made Vision a reincarnation of a former Avengers ally who died.


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    I wasn't asking why we need the character as a character. I would never ask that. He existed in the Silver and Bronze Ages. He's part of the bedrock of Marvel. No one from that era should ever cease to exist on the published page. Not even Willie Lumpkin.



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    Thus I could ask the same question a different way: Why does Wonder Man need the Vision? From a character design and overall story design perspective - why? They were two separate characters in their own right with their own trajectories set long ago by Stan Lee and Roy Thomas. Why convolute the one with the other? I'm asking for both the in-story reason and the meta-reason.


Simon doesn't need the Vision. I think the Vision needed Simon story wise. He needed attachments...so they gave him Wanda and Simon.


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    (EDIT: I hadn't read your post near the top of the thread, Menshevik. Now I have. So I know Roy betrayed me with heartless disregard for my feelings.)



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    I'm not anti-Wonder Man by any means. I long for a return to the days of Wonder Man and the Beast as Avengers and best friends. It was easily one of the best bromances ever published in any comic. They were awesome.


No I see your point. Simon complicates things needlessly. But I don't think the original plan was for Simon and Vision to interact. Simon didn't return until several years later.




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