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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Re: Thoughts on the new Scarlet Spider series
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 at 11:38:20 am EDT (Viewed 199 times)
Reply Subj: Thoughts on the new Scarlet Spider series
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 at 02:01:14 pm EDT (Viewed 268 times)

    Like so many of us, I was a fan of Ben Reilly back in the day of the second Clone Saga. (I wasn't around to read comics back when the original clone story took place in the mid-70s.) There were many things wrong with the Clone Saga -- like Maximum Clonage, Scrier, etc. -- but Ben wasn't one of them.

    It has long been regarded that Ben, as the 'spider-clone' is not the same person as Peter. Likewise, Kaine is not Peter. Spidercide is not Peter. You get the idea. A clone is ultimately their own different person.

    Bearing that in mind, I think I can finally wrap my head around the recent Clone Conspiracy and the current Scarlet Spider series. This 'Ben' is not our Ben Reilly. He is a clone of a clone of a clone ... of a clone of the Ben Reilly we enjoyed twenty years ago. If a clone once removed is a different individual, then a clone 20x over is surely not the same person.

No no no I don't see it that way at all. I'm like you...I don't like his new attitude either. But it's not because of the cloning it's because of the repeated deaths. His personality HAS carried over from clone to clone. But he was killed a hundred or so times by Miles Warren. That's turned Ben into a jerk. This Ben isn't just some clone that's been distorted via repeated clonings...he's a man who went through a great trauma.

The clones don't come out as individual people with their own unique viewpoints. They don't get that stuff until they go out and get their own life experiences. The only life experiences Ben got as he was cloned again and again was being murdered repeatedly.

And it doesn't make sense for Warren to make clones of clones of clones ad infinitum. He has Ben's DNA. I'm assuming every Ben clone is cloned from THAT same sample. Rather than a new Ben being cloned from the Ben clone that just died over and over again.

    Or, to put it another way, this 'Ben' is no more our Ben than he is Peter.

I don't see it that way. He went through something traumatic. His change in personality is character driven not related to some small point of detail involving cloning.

    When viewed through that lens, I can enjoy the current series. It is well-written, as most of Peter David's works are, and it is about a new character who I have not encountered before this year. Without the stigma of What the heck did they do to poor Ben??!, I can enjoy the current stories. The Ben Reilly that I knew was a hero who was killed by Norman Osborn and disintegrated into a pile of dust on Halloween 1996.

I think you're looking through the wrong lens \:\)

I don't like Ben's change in character. But I hate the idea that this isn't our Ben even less. It's our Ben after years of torture and murder. If it's not OUR Ben then there was no point to bringing him back or giving us this series. He would just be a watered down clone of a clone...I hate that idea.

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