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Subj: Re: Thoughts on the new Scarlet Spider series
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 at 10:09:45 am EDT (Viewed 180 times)
Reply Subj: Thoughts on the new Scarlet Spider series
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 at 02:01:14 pm EDT (Viewed 263 times)

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Like so many of us, I was a fan of Ben Reilly back in the day of the second Clone Saga. (I wasn't around to read comics back when the original clone story took place in the mid-70s.) There were many things wrong with the Clone Saga -- like Maximum Clonage, Scrier, etc. -- but Ben wasn't one of them.

It has long been regarded that Ben, as the 'spider-clone' is not the same person as Peter. Likewise, Kaine is not Peter. Spidercide is not Peter. You get the idea. A clone is ultimately their own different person.

Bearing that in mind, I think I can finally wrap my head around the recent Clone Conspiracy and the current Scarlet Spider series. This 'Ben' is not our Ben Reilly. He is a clone of a clone of a clone ... of a clone of the Ben Reilly we enjoyed twenty years ago. If a clone once removed is a different individual, then a clone 20x over is surely not the same person.

Or, to put it another way, this 'Ben' is no more our Ben than he is Peter.

When viewed through that lens, I can enjoy the current series. It is well-written, as most of Peter David's works are, and it is about a new character who I have not encountered before this year. Without the stigma of What the heck did they do to poor Ben??!, I can enjoy the current stories. The Ben Reilly that I knew was a hero who was killed by Norman Osborn and disintegrated into a pile of dust on Halloween 1996.

First of all I am glad that Ben is back, I've really waited for this for 20 years.

I also have to say that I was worried because the Ben Reilly we see now is behaving very differently that the one we knew 20 years ago.
Still I think of him as THE Ben Reilly, he just went nuts because of the Jackal's torture.
I mean, he was killed 23 times in different, painful ways. People went crazy for less than that.

Also the "new" cloning mechanism kept the persons mind and memory intact. That why he does remember those deaths and that's why I see am as the real deal.
Sure, his body was re-created, but the person is the same.
Otherwise you could ask if someone who got e.g. a heart transplant is still the same afterwards. Or is Peter Parker still the Peter Parker we knew since he was reborn out of the giant spider in The Other storyline? I think so.

So while I still don't like what they did to Ben and the status he is in right now, I can accept that they had to do something different to him to justify a new book. He can't just be the Ben Reilly that was Spider-Man, because that is already Peter Parker.
I do enjoy reading new stories of Ben Reilly though, and seeing him in the old Scarlet Spider costume is really awesome. Still I very much hope that he will get better, will get his face fixed and maybe going back to blonde.
I think it will happen eventually, until then this hope gives me a little bit extra excitement every issue.

Overall I am just glad that Ben is back and I enjoy reading this book. I hope it will last for a very long time.

"Guess I'm as delusional as Parker, after all. But it's a good delusion, I think. And it sure as hell beats being a nobody."
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