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Unstable Molecule

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D. Strange

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Subj: Re: Complicated...
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 02:07:35 pm EST (Viewed 120 times)
Reply Subj: Complicated...
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 at 07:30:13 am EST (Viewed 129 times)

    I have decided to finish my Spider-Man run (up to OMD) by my next birthday in March. AS such, I have bought and re-bought comics from many different eras. Including the original Hobgoblin era.

    It was a real look at how such a story should unfold. You could feel the Hobgoblin in issues he never was.

    Most importantly, there were a few different possible goblins. And yes, Leeds and Kingsley were set up as possible Hobgoblins.

    I think Leeds wasn't jarring, especially since Kingsley disappeared from the books towards the end.

    Leeds needed to be up to something. He kept disappearing for something. At the time it made sense. In some ways he worked better.

I liked the eventual revelation that Leeds was mind-controlled to believe he was the Hobgoblin. But his casual, off-panel execution remains a waste of a great character. I blame Priest.

    Then came Hobgoblin Lives. The twin thing was a bit hokey, but over all, I think it worked out.

    So a draw... until Slott.

    Two things I need to say first:

    1. I like classic Hobgoblin more than Norman Osborn (and Harry more than his dad, for that matter)

Thank you. It's nice to know someone else feels the same as I do. Harry was a way better Goblin, and original Hobgoblin was more formidable than either of the Osborns.

    2. I stopped reading Spider-man (minus returning writers I loved and alt. realities) until the 50th anniversary, and stayed until the end of Superior. Fortunately, this included a lot of Kingsley.

    I did hear about what Hobgoblin was doing however, and gave a quick read through in someone's collection.

    Slott writes Hobgoblin... wrong. His kingsley seemed almost like an 80s cartoon character. A cheap hood with a gimmick, then another gimmick, who just loved to fake his own death. His ego got in the way.

    The Hobgoblin from back in the day, was cold and calculating. The whole point was that his ego wasn't involved, it was all business.

    He was Kingpin, with powers, tech, ambition, and a cold detachment Fisk had lost under Miller (not complaining). Yes, I would say that fit Kingsley better.

Again, thank you. An effete, cold-blooded, calculating business tycoon goes third-world, guerrilla mercenary? No. Slott wrote Kingsley like he was Macendale, and it's one of his major failings, in my opinion. Also, handing out super-identities is more the Tinkerer's deal. Nothing in Kingsley's previous depictions could make me believe he would pivot this way.

    In MY collection, and MY continuity... which ends just before the marriage does... I would say it doesn't matter. Leeds COULD have worked, in some way fit the part better since Kingsley was less memorable. Kingsley was a more logical choice.

In MY continuity, the Hobgoblin is Richard Fisk. It would have been a much better story than either Leeds or Kingsley. Again, I blame Priest.

    I'd shrug. But post Slott, getting his hand on him? Leeds all day.

And a lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, with great power there must also come -- great responsibility!
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