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Subj: My answers and come clarification *SPOILERS*
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 at 01:18:42 pm EDT (Viewed 114 times)
Reply Subj: Action Comics #987 and Wonder Woman Annual #1 *SPOILERS*
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 at 03:03:45 am EDT (Viewed 153 times)

One blooper/mistake I spotted in the Wonder Woman Annual #1 is that Superman is wearing the wrong costume because he's wearing his new costume of today. In those days, Superman was wearing his classic red trunks look not his modern look. Apparently, the Superman writing team failed to communicate this to Greg Rucka when he wrote the Annual.

    It has been my understanding the Superman currently appearing in the books is the pre-Flashpoint version of the character, brought to this universe via some wibbly-wobby-comic-book-science, and having stepped into the shoes of the New 52 Superman who shuffled off to the great beyond. So, the first question is, am I incorrect in that understanding?

Yes and no. At first, the Pre-Flashpoint Superman was flying around the New 52 and the New 52 version of Superman died. However, recently the Pre-Flashpoint Superman merged with the New 52 version and both their histories are now one. Now Superman is THIS universe's Superman who has kept his Pre-Flashpoint history as well as the New 52 history (for the most part, there are a few things no longer canon).

    Second, this story, set in the early days of all the characters, ostensibly features that pre-Flashpoint Superman. So how does that fit with the question above when given a linear timeline, he would not have been operating as Superman when Diana debuted.

See JS's answer on this one.

    Following up from that, who knows there was a Superman, and now a different Superman? And two Loises (Loisi?)? Everyone? Just the Justice League? Select villains? It seems like a pretty big thing to just slip beneath Luthor's radar. What about Lois' family? Does Sam Lane know the Lois Lane trotting around Metropolis isn't "his" daughter?

Before the Pre-Flashpoint Superman merged with his New 52 self, the New 52 Lois died. When she died, she asked the Pre-Flashpoint Lois to take over her life and she was very reluctant to do so. But in the end, she did. Then the Pre-Flashpoint Superman merged with his New 52 self and so did Lois with her New 52 self. Now the whole world believes Lois Lane is THEIR Lois Lane because her history merged with her New 52 self, same as Superman's history did.

So the Lois Lane traveling around Metropolis actually "is" Sam Lane's real daughter. ;\-\)

    (And related to that, in a way, during Johns' run, Superman revealed his identity to Jimmy. And then after I dropped the books, Lois revealed Superman's identity to the world. How has all of that been handled with the "old" Superman taking up the role again?)

See JS's response. But to clarify something, I believe Superman's identity still was exposed to the world and Mxy (who was the fake Clark Kent) still had to fix Superman's identity issues. This was referenced by both Clark and Lois after it happened so that means the story still happened and is still canon.

    And all of this leads me to question the Mr. Oz revelation -- but again, I've not read the issue but I realize this probably wasn't answered there, so consider this rhetorical for now -- but is this pre-Flashpoint Jor-El or New 52 Jor-El?

Geoff Johns Superman: Secret Origin is back in Canon and Oz appears to be that version, but I refuse to believe this because the Jor I know and love would NOT be the version that I've seen recently in Action Comics. That simply isn't him. Too out of character. He's got to be from some alternate reality and Superman's TRUE Dad died on Krypton like he was supposed to.

    Thank you to anyone who can explain to me. While I stand by my decision of dropping the books, I do miss being able to keep up with the ongoing narrative -- and also miss being the guy that could usually answer these questions. I really appreciate your patience. \:\)

Your welcome. \:\-\)

It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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