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Subj: Re: I Asked Something Like That Already Once. I'm Surprised That He Hasn't Really Done Anything.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 12:43:44 pm EDT (Viewed 70 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I Asked Something Like That Already Once. I'm Surprised That He Hasn't Really Done Anything.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 10:24:46 am EDT (Viewed 66 times)

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If we're talking of post-1986 then you sort of have a fair point. My objection, or rather observation, is that your criteria of Norman Orborn and The Kingpin are figures who only became really dangerous when they found out the secret identities of their opponents. As that makes it more than just a professional adversity and hatred, and moves it into a very different personal and vulnerable area for the hero in question.

Luthor was set up as potentially being such a figure very early on, in Superman #2, where he comes within a whisker of learning Superman's secret and his targeting of his parents and Lana Lang puts Superman in just the same predicament and personal hell that both Peter Parker and Matt Murdoch had to endure at various points. When a particularly dangerous and powerful villain such as these learns 'the secret' they are instantly moved into a whole other category of dangerous villain, and to some extent this is where Kenny Braverman/Conduit entered into in 1994 as he targets the life of Clark Kent to destroy both Kent and Superman.

Ever since Superman #2 that fear, of the potential power of Lex Luthor to ruin him in every personal way by remote, unprovable, impersonal means, is a large part of the dynamic that powers the silent war between the two - Superman frustratingly can't touch Luthor. But Luthor could very easily ruin Clark Kent and his world, If he ever even suspects the truth... and yes, there is more than a whiff of Frank Miller's powerful influence on this revised dynamic between the two of which Byrne and Wolfman initiated lo those thirty years ago.








I can't help but point out some simple facts that are hard to deny.

1. The difference between the Kingpin or Normon Osborn finding out the secret identity of Daredevil or Spider-Man is that they each did something about it whereas when Lex found out Superman was Clark Kent, he did hardly anything.

2. The first time Lex found out Clark was Superman in the Post Crisis Continuity, he deleted the information because he found it impossible that Superman would be posing as a human Reporter. Nothing was done to try and ruin Clark's life, no boasting was done that he knew. And this story was done by John Bryne and I've asked the question, "What was the point?" I asked that because nothing was done about it.

3. The second time Lex found out Clark was Superman was when Manchester Black gave Lex the info. This time, Lex believed the information. But again, he didn't use it to ruin Clark's life. He boasted a little about it, but did nothing. Then we have the multi-part Ending Battle storyline where Lex hires a number a super villains to go after Superman. And that is the most Lex ever did with that secret. Then he forgets Clark is Superman because Manchester Black erases Lex's mind. Not that it mattered because Lex did hardly a thing with it anyway.

4. The third time Lex found out Clark was Superman was about 2010, early 2011, when Lex gained godlike powers. But instead of ruining Clark's life by going after Lana, Lois, his parents, etc, he tries to kill just Superman, not bothering to do anything about Clark's secret.

Where the Kingpin and Normon actually tried to ruin Daredevil and Spider-Man's lives by going after their loved ones, Lex did not. He did hardly anything with that information. He's a lion without teeth because the writers are too afraid to do anything with it.

So, Comicguy has a very good point. Both Doomsday and Cyborg Superman (Henshaw) both have had more of a personal impact on Superman than Lex ever has. Even Kenny Braverman AKA Conduit has had a more personal impact. They all did what Lex never did and that was going after the people Clark loved.

If we're all being perfectly honest with the points I made above, it's completely out of character of Lex to sit back and do hardly anything about his knowledge that Clark is Superman without trying to ruin Clark's life by going after who Clark loves or even threatening to expose his secret. As I said, Lex is a lion without teeth. He barks but doesn't have any bite.






It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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