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Subj: Re: Would the Nine Realms be better off without the Dark Elves And Fire Demons?
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 at 04:55:11 pm EDT (Viewed 97 times)
Reply Subj: Would the Nine Realms be better off without the Dark Elves And Fire Demons?
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 07:58:39 pm EDT (Viewed 216 times)


Possibly, there are others though. One could argue they have more standard qualities. Like the Frost Giants are less destructive to the other realms than they are to Asgard. The fire side wants all to burn.

It gets on one of the issues as whose right it is to determine something like that. And even if one does can anything be done about it? In many settings for instance demons or devils are evil but are necessary and too powerful for mortals to do much with. And the supreme good forces (if they exist) are part of a cosmic balance.


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    This is me playing devil's advocate, but is something I was looking for some other posters thoughts on.



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    Reading up on some films that postulate the idea that some groups of people (or a species in general) are so vile or hostile that mercy, understanding, and forgiveness are no longer sufficient/only enabling bad behavior by taking advantage of such traits and the only solution is the complete or near-complete destruction of said society or species. Basically, the universe would be better off without the entire group and letting them continue to live causing pointless suffering. This group only takes advantage of kindness, mercy and forgiveness without ever changing.



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    This is kind of common in sci-fi and fantasy. Orks, demons and Dalkes are some of the more famous examples.



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    My question, would the Nine Realms be better off if the Dark Elves and Fire Demons were rendered extinct?



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    Consider the following:



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    - Both groups have terrorized the Nine Realms since time immemorial by launching wars of aggression again and again.
    - Both have shown absolutely no morals or limitations in the atrocities they are willing to commit.
    - Both are dedicated not just to conquest, but outright extermination of other races for no reason other than they are not either Dark Elves or Fire Demons.
    - Both races have a reputation for their murderous nature surpassing the other races.
    - The other races, save perhaps the Giants, have not been shown near as aggressive or savage.
    - Beating them back to their home realms time and again have done nothing to change their attitudes.



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    - The Fire Demon home realms is so inhospitable to non-native lifeforms that any sort of occupation is pretty much impossible.



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    - The Dark Elf culture is built on treachery and violence. Even the nicer ones of them are war-mongerers.



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    - The Dark Elves willingly made their leader a madman who committed genocide against his own people and whose track record would mean war and atrocities against the other realms. They supported him even after Thor had an opportunity to stop him. That makes many of these Dark Elves accomplices in Makelith's crimes.



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    - According to some modern morality, any sort of occumpation or conquest of the Dark elf and fire demons realms to forcible change their cutlure is wrong.


By some, not all. I am not sure it would be immoral. It sort of depends on what they are doing. It is not ok to force a person of a given culture to change who they are by force. It is ok to try and change them. As far as I can tell.

The issue here is not really so much culture but type. They are inherently one thing or another. A few odd balls may change but on the whole they are more akin to fire or season. They are what they are.


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    Taking all of this into consideration (and anything I may have missed) what is the solution to the Dark Elves and Fire Demons? Is it a case where the Nine Realms would be better off without them? At what point is enough enough with the the horrors these races cause and the other realms put an end to it one way or another?


Maybe, but they likely do not have the tools to deal with it either. If they all joined up maybe but Surtur alone can beat any of them fairly quickly outside of Odin.






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