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Grey Gargoyle

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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: If I correctly understood the stories written by Stan Lee, it depends if the story is set during WWII or after
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 at 04:10:11 am EDT (Viewed 776 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Do you remember when Dr. Zemo believed that he is a karate master ? (^_^')
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 at 03:34:53 pm EDT (Viewed 799 times)

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    My impression of Heinrich was that he was an excellent fighter by real-world, normal-people standards ... which makes him no competition at all for Cap.

That's fair.

Apparently, during WWII, Dr. Zemo was no fighter at all.

After he fled to South America, he had free time to learn karate.

Obviously, it wasn't sufficient to fight against Captain America.

My feeling is that Heinrich was a failed attempt by Stan Lee to replace the WWII Red Skull with a newcomer in the Avengers book.

Read again the Silver Age Avengers stories with Red Skull in mind instead of Zemo ... and, mostly, they still work. The only added bonus is that Zemo is clearly as much a scientist as he is a fighter and a political leader.

I don't know why Stan Lee & Jack Kirby decided to create a new character instead of bringing back the Red Skull.

Actually, the red skull mask being stuck on his head by Adhesive X would have made more sense than Zemo's purple cowl. The Red Skull being the killer of Bucky would have been more interesting also.

Obviously, Stan Lee & Jack Kirby were not convinced by Zemo and they killed him (his death is definitive contrary to other comics deaths).

Then, Red Skull came back, first in a Spider-Man book (he is revealed as the killer of Peter Parker's parents ! It is only later and by a different writer that the story is retconned) and then in the Captain America book (he worked with THEM/AIM/HYDRA).

So, the whole plan was probably to replace Zemo by Red Skull as the new archvillain of Captain America, SHIELD and, thus, the Avengers. The Red Skull would have probably become an archfoe of Spider-Man also, if Stan Lee had remained a writer on the books.

Fortunately, Helmut (post-Phoenix story) became a much more interesting character.

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