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Subj: Re: Well, this will be good news to some of you. *Spoilers*
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 at 11:52:45 pm EDT (Viewed 165 times)
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 at 06:46:03 pm EDT (Viewed 174 times)

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    The link I provided contains spoilers for what is going to keep happening to Superman in Action Comics, but also addresses his "romance" with Wonder Woman. I think some of you will be very happy to see this, so I copy/pasted the quote for your reading pleasure.

    -Diana delivered Jon.

Odd on the face of it. This now routine make-it-up-as-we-go-along approach to rewriting even their modernday continuity is something we either have to shrug and accept from DC Comics or simply walk away from the characters involved. And yet considering the implications of this current rewrite it is staggering to see the almost absolute rejection of the New-52 reboot. For all of the bad decision making and ham-fisted adherance to a deconstructionist mandate there were still any worthwhile things done with the Superman and Wonder Woman mythos, in Superman it is becoming clear that nothing of the Grant Morrison run survives, which alone is something I consider deeply regrettable if not faintly repellent.
On Wonder Woman's side the Brian Azzarello reign is being similarly unbolted from history and ditching virtually every element introduced to her mythos with it. And while it is perfectly agreeable that some of the material of those first five years should be jettisoned or washed clean the nature of what is occurring seems more like a fans preference for traditionalism to win through rather than good impartial sense - this matter is what editors used to sit over.

Does the fact that we saw Superman deliver his own son into the world lessen him in any way or does it instead strengthen him? In fact I can sense the reasons behind the change to Diana being the midwife being more an intuitive move by Dan Jurgens and Co, as by realigning the post-Rebirth canon so it builds a clear and strong connection between Diana and the Kent family that goes beyond just the previous friendship. In effect by being the one who was present for Jon's birth Diana effectively becomes his godmother; and this ties together the Superman and Wonder Woman families in a bond that harks back to the past before the Flashpoint break, and re-
strenghens what had been a diluted and damaged universe. The DCU thanks to the return of Superman and his recent triumph's is a rapidly transforming place, and whether you see the changes and growth as being directly due to his personal re-emergence or not the truth is becoming self-evident that the unseen force that may be Doctor Manhattan will find its most formidable challenge in The Man of Steel, and what he represents in this universe...

    -The “wrong” history like Convergence or the Diana relationship are gone.

I think Overwritten is a better description. And while not completely happy with the complete rejection of the New-52 elements I cannot argue against forgetting the Wonder Woman/Superman romance as it served neither character at all well and very few writers could actually get convincing value out of it. It was a match that rarely managed to convince that it was true love, more often than not it came across instead as mutual loneliness being consoled and a worrying lack of any will on their part to recognise the more satisfying and vital naure of their Lois Lane and Steve Trevor's.

I sincerely believe that the Romance was perhaps the single most destructive decision DC made with the characters. Without the vital human ingredients of Lois and Steve the two characters floundered, both became more than human, but less than human at the same turn...

    -Lois and Clark never dated anyone else.

    So, the romance between Superman and Wonder Woman has been dumped. There you go.

Really completely rejecting any idea of any attraction between the two is a mistake. What should have been said is that the two had a brief dalliance early in their careers, but much in the spirit of Action Comics #600 both saw that there were emerging incompatibilities between each other and such a relationship had no future in the longterm. I myself never had any criticism of a romance plot between the two, rather the objection comes from the idea being explored as a story possibility to becoming adopted as a new permanent status-quo. Which is what happened. And I have no doubt at all it contributed heavily to the rapid decline in story quality and sales for the two. It's not so much the fact the two were being touted as a couple that was the problem per-se' rather the reality that actual romance, convincing romance, was rarely ever truly evident on the finished page. The commitment was never there to convince the audience it was a genuine mutual love.

I'm happy to report that Superman delivered his son Jon instead of Diana. The Amazon was there, however, giving Lois support. \:\-\)

It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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