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Subj: Re: Finally saw the movie -
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 07:03:12 pm EDT (Viewed 272 times)
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 11:59:12 am EDT (Viewed 272 times)


      Fourth was the faith question. I never believed the German general was Ares, which made it poignant to see Diana so convinced she was right that he was. Steve Trevor never believed it either, and I was sure he was right, which set up an unusual dynamic where the star of the movie is wrong and the main secondary character is right. (That rarely happens.)

    I thought it made her seem quite naive to assume that just because you kill a general, whether he's Ares or not, the troops would all suddenly stop fighting. I get that she doesn't understand things about man's world but this made it seem like she doesn't understand combat which is what she had been training for her whole life.

I took it that she thought the Germans were mind-controlled. She thought Ares was using mind control. Which, if we can believe what he said to her, he wasn't.


      Fifth was Steve's heroic death. Since he lived during World War I, he was never going to be alive in the modern day unless sci-fi or magical measures were taken, and I'm glad the decision instead was to let him be dead, but to make his death mean something. Oh, and Chris Pine, whom I had totally enjoyed previously as Captain Kirk, was very different as Steve Trevor, and impressive. It was great to have a movie where the star was the main hero but not the only hero.

    That was the problem, you could predict his death for purely franchise reasons: "Logically he won't be around for the next installment anyway so he serves no further purpose." I don't get their whole plot contrivance with the plane anyway. They can't shoot it down or blow it up on the ground because it will spread the gas but then he blows it up in the air anyway?

I took it that killing the Germans with the gas was morally OK in Steve's mind. Which, frankly, I agree with. He just didn't want Americans or French people to die.


      Seventh was Diana's godly power. It differentiates her from Superman in a new way, instead of her only real difference being the lasso. Concussive blasts and the ability to catch and return energy attacks are things the movie Superman can't do.

    It was too vague and unexplained other than it was "the power to kill gods." No one ever tells her how to use it or what it is really.

It was concussive blasts and the ability to catch and return energy attacks.

    And she didn't really use it to kill Ares did she? I thought at the end it was lightning bolt from the sky so I assumed it was Zeus?

I took it that Ares hurled the lightning bolt which Diana then hurled back at him, thereby using his own power against him.

    I liked most of the movie until the last act. Didn't quite understand why Steve didn't want to act once they had the General and Dr. Poison in their sights.

I don't remember the scene you're referring to.

    Then why Wonder Woman and Ares had a big punching battle. Sure he can teleport and shapeshift but I'll just punch him a bunch of times?

What else could she do? She had to keep trying despite the hopelessness.

    Thirdly if they were going to sacrifice Steve they should have setup something better than what they did. Or if they wanted to do something different than Cap and Peggy Carter's ending they could have had Diana and Steve end up together and in the modern days she could look back on a lifetime they spent together, and he could still be dead.

That would have been OK with me, except I find it sad to think of the latter years of Steve's life, when he'd be old and decrepit and Diana would still be young and gorgeous and super-athletic.

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