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Subj: Re: I'm Confused About Spiral, Did She Get Retconned? How Does She Relate To Shatterstar And His Origin?
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 at 12:50:28 pm EDT (Viewed 186 times)
Reply Subj: I'm Confused About Spiral, Did She Get Retconned? How Does She Relate To Shatterstar And His Origin?
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 at 08:46:17 pm EDT (Viewed 191 times)

    I am a fan of Spiral (Mostly because she's weird and I like her powers.), but I'm a little bit confused by her background. In the original Longshot series/mini series (Which I didn't care for all that much.), weren't her and Ricochet Rita separate entities? Didn't we see her and Spiral at the same time and place? I know that Ann Nocenti (Who created Longshot, Spiral and Mojo.) said that she didn't want Spiral to be Ricochet Rita, but that's how it turned out. I did a Wiki and everything, but I'm not sure if/how it makes sense.

Yes, they were originally different people, and Ann Nocenti didn't want them to be the same.
Yes, we saw them at the same time, but this doesn't necessarily mean anything when you factor in time and alt-dimensions.

It wasn't until the Shattershot Annuals that the two were tied together. Even then, it's not certain that Spiral is Rita of 616-Earth. Mojo screws with the alternate Earth's just the same.

    I know that Shatterstar has a convoluted origin, and I haven't read the X-Force storyline/issues that go over it (And I don't intend to, either.), but how are him and Spiral connected? What does Longshot have to do with it? I really don't care for Longshot all that much, but that's mostly because he has a lame power (Luck. Wow!). I did find him and Dazzler's relationship/romance interesting, though. Did that ever got followed up upon?

The relationship was touched upon during PAD's X-Factor (Investigations) series. There was a Nation X X-Factor one-shot of their reunion/one-night stand.

One of the last issues of X-Factor (Investigations) told the complete story of Shatterstar: he is literally his own grandpa. Thanks to a time loop, he will spawn Longshot, who in turn has Shatterstar with Dazzler. Ad infinitum.

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