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The Voice of Reason

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Grey Gargoyle

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Subj: Re: Unfortunately, it won't happen because the iconic version of the character is the Dark Phoenix
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 at 05:47:04 pm EDT (Viewed 65 times)
Reply Subj: Unfortunately, it won't happen because the iconic version of the character is the Dark Phoenix
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 at 07:52:25 am EDT (Viewed 66 times)

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    I don't think Jean's boring. It's just the way they use her is awful.

    Madelyne Pryor, the Phoenix, Rachel, Cable, her annoying attraction to smelly Wolverine. They just do bad stuff TO her. They never use her. She's like the Scarlet Witch...she exists to be life's punching bag. They lurch from catastrophe to catastrophe. And it's never really ABOUT them or what they want or their desires. They're both just always caught up in a bunch of nonsense that gets inflicted on them.

    If they got rid of all these alternate timeline relatives, cosmic entities and aliens slaughtering her real family members maybe Jean would be ok. Jean sucks because of everything the writers do to always tear her down. No one has bothered to really let her be happy or in control of her life.

    I mean has she really been in control of her life since the 70's?


Normally,I would agree with you. I believe that even characters such as the Mole Man, the Toad, the Blob, Unus the Untouchable, the Toad Men, the Miracle Man, the Metal Master, the Vanisher, the Trapster ... can be interesting and even threatening if a good writer cares about them.

Still, when it comes to Jean Grey. It is different.

She is forever the Dark Phoenix because it is the most iconic version of the character.

Marvel don't bring her back because they care about Jean Grey as a character.

They do because the next X-Men movie is about the Dark Phoenix.

For decades, Marvel has tried to make the Phoenix Force an autonomous concept which can change hosts as it wants.

... but, deep down, they know that it is a mistake because it was a retcon of one of the most famous storylines in comics history.

The whole point of the story was about a decent human being who has become an extremely powerful being and who decides to sacrifice herself since she doesn't want to hurt anyone anymore.

So, the return of Jean Grey will also be the return of the Phoenix and the Dark Phoenix.

The problem is that each new story about the Phoenix is weaker than the previous one. It is systematically compared to the original saga and, let's face it, Chris Claremont & John Byrne made a one-time masterpiece.




Ugh, I hate to undermine my own point but the Grey Gargoyle's point is sound. They are already backtracking on Wanda's growth, with having her possessed during Civil War and what looks be in a relationship with Doctor Voodoo. Come on man, at least let her enjoy the vibe she earned from her solo for a year or so before you bury her back up with crap.