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Menshevik

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The Voice of Reason

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Subj: Re: Again ? It has become a silly gimmick ... What's the point ?
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 at 04:06:12 am EDT (Viewed 61 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Again ? It has become a silly gimmick ... What's the point ?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 at 06:53:36 pm EDT (Viewed 53 times)



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    Understood. But don't you think in most cases, the original, done right, given the chances they have been neglected in the past, should be put in line ahead of the knockoffs?


I generally prefer to estimate characters on their actual form, not on their vague "potential" (e.g. Jean Grey as she appeared in the stories, not the largely mythical Jean As She Could or Should Have Been). And I don't think seniority should be too big a factor, so I wouldn't want to see Johnny Storm replaced by the Golden Age Human Torch or James Proudstar by John. I think there is already too much of a bias against new characters because creators will all too often favour the characters they were fans of when they were young.

Then there's the question of who's a knockoff. The Reverend for instance has it in for Rachel, even though he admits that she's a distinct character from Jean, while Madelyne Pryor, who since Inferno is Jean's genetic clone, is notable by her absence from his diatribes of doom and destruction. And Emma Frost, who is another character entirely and completely unrelated to the Grey family AFAIK, is also treated here as a usurper to Jean's "rightful" place.


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    Why have a "teen" Jean instead of the original? As for getting rid of the new, old five, yes, I am all for it. It was a stupid, contrived story that should have ended with their return to their proper place.


I remain unconvinced of the entire rationale for the time-displaced teen O5, but I don't see why (older) Jean Grey needs to come back to get rid of them.


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    Just like old man Logan has no right being in the 616. Why remove the originals just to replace them with, in most cases, inferior knockoffs? It's lazy storytelling and comes off as the cheap gimmick that it is.


Don't know too much about Old Man Logan, but I see him mostly as a narrative reminder of 616 Logan and a kind of placeholder. They wanted to do a big Death of Logan story and want to wait a few years before undoing it and bringing him back to life. You can compare it to the four Supermen that appeared in the wake of The Death of Superman. At least Kon-El turned out to be perfectly viable character.


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    As for Jean's place upon her return, I think many of the people in favor of it have also cited the recent Scarlet Witch book, at least as far as my understanding of it, all appear to want to let Jean step out from under the weight and shadow of the X. Did you read Wanda's book? While disjointed at times, it was a clear attempt to make a break from all the usual cliches that have weighed her down. A similar treatment of Jean would be far better the current Jeen book.


I did not read Wanda's solo title, but I do read (and very much enjoy) Uncanny Avengers, and there I can't help noting that the Scarlet Witch's tenure as a solo heroine unconnected to e.g. the Avengers did not last very long. I very much doubt that Jean Grey's solo tenure unconnected to the X-Men - should Marvel even attempt it - would last much longer.