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Subj: Re: Lee-Kirby and 1986
Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 at 01:00:14 pm EDT (Viewed 65 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Exactly. It Is A Matter Of Nostalgia.
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 at 03:02:19 pm EDT (Viewed 90 times)



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    I have to say that where the X-Men are concerned, Chris Claremont & John Byrne have at least the same stature as Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Higher stature, actually, I think. It was the 1975 version that conquered comicdom. The 1963 version had struggled to stay in the spinner racks.


Financial success shouldn't be equated with aesthetic success. While I agree that the Claremont-Byrne run was the artistic peak of all X-books, you should re-read the 1963-1964 X-Men #1-8. I'd argue those are Stan Lee's best written opening stories of any of Lee's creations, better than the first eight issues of Fantastic Four, Avengers, Captain America, Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, even Spider-Man.


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    I never saw the point of the original X-Factor team. I was a fan of the Champions (prominently featuring Ice Man and the Angel) which debuted in 1975. I was also a fan of the Beast being a part of the Avengers comic, a scenario which also, incidentally, had its start in 1975. (I never quite realized how cool 1975 was. I was 14 that year. By contrast, 1986 was a big downer. Except for Superman's Pal, but that story would be a digression into the Ralph Snart phenomenon, which is off topic here, so forget I mentioned it.)


1986 was not a big downer. It was one of the best years for comics ever. Alan Moore started Watchmen, in my opinion the best limited series in comics ever. Crisis on Infinite Earths, probably DC's best ever event series, concluded, featuring George Perez's best art ever. The Dark Knight Returns was Frank Miller at his peak. Miller was also in the midst of his second run on Daredevil with the great "Born Again" story arc. Roger Stern was in the middle of one of the Avengers better runs with the Masters of Evil mansion invasion storyline starting at the end of the year. Walt Simonson's Thor run was starting to wind down but the stories were still excellent including one of the best Kurse stories ever.