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Subj: Re: Rogue & Gambit #2
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 07:59:06 pm EST (Viewed 158 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Rogue & Gambit #2
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 11:06:02 am EST (Viewed 144 times)

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    General observation No. 1: R&G #2 makes it two issues running of completely ignoring Rogue's relationship to the Human Torch in Uncanny Avengers and after. Rather striking as this issue came out the same week as Avengers #679, where Rogue looks utterly devastated when she receives bad news of what happened to Johnny...


Bothersome. This mini seems like something Editorial decided should happen because hey, it's Legacy - but not everything that happened in the old days needs to be revisited. For example, and for the love of God, let's not have a Hank Pym/Janet Van Dyne flashback mini that rehashes the Shooter slap.

Rogue and Johnny seem to me to be a reasonably healthy couple, in so far as I don't detect any abuse or codependency. I would be happy to watch their relationship evolve. Unfortunately I don't think it's in the cards. Marvel seems to place little importance on them as a couple except in the Avengers books. For example, Marvel 2-in-1 isn't referencing the relationship at all. Not that Johnny is in any way being unfaithful - he's not. He isn't paying attention to women at all in this story line so far. But there are things going on in that story that would typically make a boyfriend want to talk to his girlfriend, and such is not occurring.


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    General observation No. 2: Some post-2000 storylines made me more amenable to Rogue/Gambit as a romantic pairing, but so far this limited series is reminding me of why I considered that relationship so unhealthy and (sometimes more than) borderline abusive in the 1990s.


The last thing in the world I want is one more nanosecond spent on the Rogue/Gambit travesty. There is absolutely nothing good about it. It makes me feel sick inside.


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    General observation No. 3: During the first flashback Gambit jokingly suggests that mind control might be good. I'm beginning to wonder if Kelly Thompson meant that seriously.


Frightening to think that Kelly Thompson is a woman.




"Rogue and Johnny seem to me to be a reasonably healthy couple, in so far as I don't detect any abuse or codependency. I would be happy to watch their relationship evolve. Unfortunately I don't think it's in the cards. Marvel seems to place little importance on them as a couple except in the Avengers books. For example, Marvel 2-in-1 isn't referencing the relationship at all. Not that Johnny is in any way being unfaithful - he's not. He isn't paying attention to women at all in this story line so far. But there are things going on in that story that would typically make a boyfriend want to talk to his girlfriend, and such is not occurring."


What I like about this mini is that they're not a couple. They're pretending to be a couple for the sake of plot and Gambit is pushy, but they act like a pair of exes with a long history together. Rogue sounds like she's moved on. Gambit is still fixated on being with her without being too creepy. But even with that, he's pretty good with boundaries and being professional about it.

"The last thing in the world I want is one more nanosecond spent on the Rogue/Gambit travesty. There is absolutely nothing good about it. It makes me feel sick inside."

They got a history and it happens to be a complicated one. And they're funny together, so it is entertaining. The story, although involving Genosha, feels really light with sit-com pacing. I think what it has going for it is that this isn't a rehash of Gambit and Rogue Smooching. This is complicated and the complications may lead to them just having a good friendship afterwards.


"During the first flashback Gambit jokingly suggests that mind control might be good. I'm beginning to wonder if Kelly Thompson meant that seriously."

"Frightening to think that Kelly Thompson is a woman."

Nah, it is a Joke. You have to read the conversation to get the impact of it, and then it only really makes sense when you realize that Rogue was being rather sweet to Gambit in a "roguish way" that night when they recall their first meeting. I don't think it was complete mind control on Rogue and Gambit. Gambit said he snapped out of the Mind Control and Rogue didn't until Shadow King dropped it. But from what I remember, Rogue wasn't really mind controlled...she was just made more aggressive by Lorna Dane's "Aggressive Emotion Amplifier Power" that Shadow King was absorbing. Remy's the one that mentions mind control not Rogue. I think the implication is that Rogue remembers (she says "things were fuzzy"), but kind of regrets being that emotional and aggressive towards Gambit when they first met.

It is a light series. Kelly Thompson is being fair about it in that she's depicting two people who are close teammates and friends, but also showing that they're probably not a good couple.

- l.k.




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