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Olympian

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rc

Subj: Here is the thing, tho..
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 04:57:11 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Unless there is more to this than meets the eye, this is the biggest strength feat in all of comics, I think.
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 01:46:10 pm EDT (Viewed 188 times)


> > The problem with the spectre is that it said as heavy as "eternity". Added to the fact that both heroes couldn't seem to hold him.
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> The argument is not merely that Spectre does not weigh as much as the universe, which I do not think he does, but that the feat was not even lunar as the Moon supported Spectre, period. That it was less than a lunar feat is obvious, in my opinion. However, the same logic is not being applied to Hercules. Hercules is standing on the Earth while lifting "the firmament," and the Earth is not crushed. Applying the logic used to debunk the Spectre feat as lunar, then Hercules is not lifting the universe; he's not even lifting an Earth-level mass. Again, I am not opining either way -- merely pointing out the double standard. I am also pointing out the double stadard of "tiering up" all of Hercules' opponents/equals on the basis of this feat, but not tiering up Superman's opponents/equals on the basis of his great feats. In fact, it is common that Superman's high end feats are crossed off the list because his opponents/equals have not achieved them, either. But this is not the case with Hercules here, which bemuses me. Also, per the tiering up logic (to which I do not subscribe), Superman and his peers should be tiered up, given the Marvel/DC crossovers; but no one here has said that, which I find odd, seeing as how frequently and ardently crossovers are invoked on this board.

The description of the feat makes it clear that if someone strong enought like Atlas or Hercules wasent working up as a cosmic "axis", "Earth" and "Heaven" would meet.

With the Spectre, they couldnt stop his fall. Here the same didnt happened.

Altho, and to be perfectly fair, i belive that kal and Diana managed to slow down its fall, before Kyle worked its magic.

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> > So even if you take "eternity" to mean the weight of the universe, Hercules did it by himself and didn't drop it.
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> I don't think "eternity" means the universe. If I did, however, I would point out that the universe was falling down, which Hercules' universe was not. Momentum matters. But this is moot, as I do not think the Spectre weighs as much as the universe. Regardless, it does not seem like you or anyone else here are considering that it may not literally have been the universe Hercules lifted, seeing as how the Earth was not crushed and there is nothing in the book about any mitigating, magical factor that protected the Earth -- gave it the "strength" to hold up Hercules, who was holding up the universe.
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> _rc



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