Subj: Re: Unless there is more to this than meets the eye, this is the biggest strength feat in all of comics, I think.Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 01:24:18 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Unless there is more to this than meets the eye, this is the biggest strength feat in all of comics, I think.
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 01:46:10 pm EDT (Viewed 188 times)
| > > The problem with the spectre is that it said as heavy as "eternity". Added to the fact that both heroes couldn't seem to hold him.|
> I am also pointing out the double stadard of "tiering up" all of Hercules' opponents/equals on the basis of this feat, but not tiering up Superman's opponents/equals on the basis of his great feats. In fact, it is common that Superman's high end feats are crossed off the list because his opponents/equals have not achieved them, either.
That's only because so much emphasis by DC fans is placed on feats. Feats are practically the sole basis behind why some claim Superman to be hundreds, thousands or millions times stronger that Marvel's strongest characters (and that is based on maybe mainly on two, feats of shared planetary moving). People thus point out that he should likewise be that much stronger than his peers and opponents who have not performed such feats, yet DC fans often argue that they are tiered up due to having successfully gone toe to toe with Superman at some point, which brings me to the next point.
| > But this is not the case with Hercules here, which bemuses me. Also, per the tiering up logic (to which I do not subscribe), Superman and his peers should be tiered up, given the Marvel/DC crossovers; but no one here has said that, which I find odd, seeing as how frequently and ardently crossovers are invoked on this board.|
Yes, but crossovers have often been discarded by DC fans as "political", saying that DC characters are tiered down for such crossovers. Thus we have a convenient way of allowing other DC characters to be tiered up by Superman, yet not allowing the same for Marvel characters to be tiered up by him. It should be understandable when Marvel fans, after a Marvel character does some outrageous feat, to question why we should NOW allow crossovers to tier up characters when that has been resisted by DC fans in the past.
Marvel fans have generally not declared such extreme superiority over DC characters as DC fans have over Marvel characters. Marvel fans tend to accept the two companies as basically comparable, as shown by the crossovers. Emphasis on outrageous Marvel feats tends to be for the purpose of countering the emphasis on big DC feats and the resulting extreme belief by many DC fans of DC's overwhelming physical superiority. Even the most rabid Hulk fanboy would probably not place Hulk more than double Superman's strength, whereas there are those who express the opinion that Superman is hundreds, thousands or millions times stronger than Hulk (something that is totally contradicted in crossovers).
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> > So even if you take "eternity" to mean the weight of the universe, Hercules did it by himself and didn't drop it.
> I don't think "eternity" means the universe. If I did, however, I would point out that the universe was falling down, which Hercules' universe was not. Momentum matters. But this is moot, as I do not think the Spectre weighs as much as the universe. Regardless, it does not seem like you or anyone else here are considering that it may not literally have been the universe Hercules lifted, seeing as how the Earth was not crushed and there is nothing in the book about any mitigating, magical factor that protected the Earth -- gave it the "strength" to hold up Hercules, who was holding up the universe.