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Avengers, because that looks like it wouldve been a potentially good line up...


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naiche




Yeah, I always loved the original Swordsman! But where are Gilgamesh, Thunderstrike, Ant Man, Jack of hearts, the Masque-Clone, Moira Brandon, Dinah Soar, Monkey-Joe, Grasshopper, Marilla and of course Janet van Dyne?
Marrina seems to be alive with Alpha Flight. And isn´t Quasar also dead?


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SpikeyIceman




Marrina is very much NOT alive. Namor was forced to kill her after she was transformed into a monster form.

Quasar is "alive" and well over in Thanos Imperative. For a while there he was flying around in an energy form, now he appears to be fleshy again, I don't know the details.

Jack-of-hearts is next up to be revived.

Janet's fate was covered in Mighty Avengers. She's not classically dead.

Ant Man will most likely be revived in the Children's Crusade.

Thunderstrike, or at least his son, has a comic starting soon.

Gilgamesh and Moria should have been brought back. We'll just have to keep wishing and hoping I guess.




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emerick man 

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    Marrina is very much NOT alive. Namor was forced to kill her after she was transformed into a monster form.


Sad sad sad. http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=xmb-2009092520165546&search=marrina&layout=thread


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    Quasar is "alive" and well over in Thanos Imperative. For a while there he was flying around in an energy form, now he appears to be fleshy again, I don't know the details.


Fleshy is news to me. Have to pick up all of T.I. still.


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    Jack-of-hearts is next up to be revived.


Guess, rumor, or interview?


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    Janet's fate was covered in Mighty Avengers. She's not classically dead.


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    Ant Man will most likely be revived in the Children's Crusade.


Really?! (Guess maybe dead dont mean dead if it will help redeem Wanda.)


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    Thunderstrike, or at least his son, has a comic starting soon.


Oooooh. That answers my I Am An Avenger #1 cover knock.

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    Gilgamesh and Moria should have been brought back. We'll just have to keep wishing and hoping I guess.






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He's an Eternal. As most probably know, they don't die that easily. And Neil Gaimann recently revealed in his mini, that they have a Celestial-created machine, connected to the Earth, that can "respawn" them, if there is actually some force that could dissipate their psi-cosmically controlled atoms.

I have to admit, that I haven't read Simonsons Avengers, but reading up online about it, that he was brought low in one of his stories, by a giant version of a Lava-man(?!) seems rather stupid.

Many other instances has showed that nothing short of total molecular dissipation can kill them. So Gilgamesh nearly dying from a few burn-wounds, doesn't quite float my boat.

Hmm.. I just started reading more online, and apparently that WASN'T what killed him... He, surprise, surprise, "died" in the Crossing. Trough some sort of... chronal energy-infection?? Apparently Immortus/Kang was involved.


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    He's an Eternal. As most probably know, they don't die that easily. And Neil Gaimann recently revealed in his mini, that they have a Celestial-created machine, connected to the Earth, that can "respawn" them, if there is actually some force that could dissipate their psi-cosmically controlled atoms.


Youre right, and IIRC tht machine was destroyed when last seen whatever that means to them.


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    I have to admit, that I haven't read Simonsons Avengers, but reading up online about it, that he was brought low in one of his stories, by a giant version of a Lava-man(?!) seems rather stupid.


Missed that 'death' issue too. Byrne, right?


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    Many other instances has showed that nothing short of total molecular dissipation can kill them. So Gilgamesh nearly dying from a few burn-wounds, doesn't quite float my boat.



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    Hmm.. I just started reading more online, and apparently that WASN'T what killed him... He, surprise, surprise, "died" in the Crossing. Trough some sort of... chronal energy-infection?? Apparently Immortus/Kang was involved.


Here's some links that SpikeyIceman might find helpful from the now defunct last volume...

Eternals #2
http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2008083017431172&search=gilgamesh&layout=thread


Eternals #4
http://members2.boardhost.com/comicbattles/msg/1214916709.html


Eternals #6
http://members2.boardhost.com/comicbattles/msg/1228701651.html


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naiche




In Avengers Forever we lerned, that most of the involved heroes in the crossing-saga were Space-phantoms in disguise. So I think,the gilgamesh who "died" was an spacephantom. It was never revealed or mentioned.
And Marrina I saw on the cover of "chaos war: alpha flight" with other "dead" members of Alpha Flight "back from the great beyond"


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Varan


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We saw a tiny bit of this with Gil in Simonson Avengers...but I'd love to see Gil be back and be the thinking man's version of Ares...."Well he's here what we did at siege of Troy..." All the warrior experience he's had with none of the Ares rashness.


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SpikeyIceman




Hey, thanks for the links and pics. I guess with the evidence you've presented we can change Gilgamesh's status to "forgotten" ;\) as opposed to deceased.


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swmcbf




???-Did you read Simonsons Gilgamesh?He was a crazy "kill the monster on sight" charater.Or am I mixing up Walts take on Gilgamesh with someone elses?


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Century: Your Alien Hero




> ???-Did you read Simonsons Gilgamesh?He was a crazy "kill the monster on sight" charater.Or am I mixing up Walts take on Gilgamesh with someone elses?

He did love talking about killing monsters, and keep asking the others "will there be monsters?" And then Byrne had him get almost killed by the Lava Men. Which is kind of like the idea of Thor being put in a coma by a bunch of AIM Guys, only funnier.

And let's all be honest, he was one of the most pointless short-lived additions to the team ever, yet in less than a year, managed TWO tragic costumes (a feat probably only Wonder Man and the 3rd Spider-Woman can top). Gilg's best Avengers appearance was the one where Neut killed him. Then the recent Eternals series brought him back just to kill him again. Buh.


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swmcbf




Hey-dont add me to the G.N.A.S. list. \:\-\) I need to go back and read those issues to see if there was any explanation on Gilgamesh seemingly change of personality.Of course he didnt have that many appearances and I think I have read them all.Starting with Kirbys Eternals,Thor,Avengers,and the latest Eternal series.I think his Avengers personality was just another aspect of him we hadnt seen before and as such was fine by me.When youre hundreds of thousands years old a little m.p.d. is bound to occur.I dont think he was developed much in the avengers but come to think about it Gilgamesh has had a different role and personality each time he shows up.Maybe thats part of his over all story.I think he could be an interesting charater to develop but not just as another Hercules-even though that is someone he has been mistaken to be.If memory serves the Epic Of Gilgamesh is considered to be where the Greek myth of Hercs labors originated.


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servo


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Mar-Vell is using Pym particles to grow to giant-size? LOL


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Flint




Dead
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Captain Marvel I-died of cancer in Marvel Graphic Novel 1

Vision II- destroyed by crazy she-Hulk in Avengers #500

Ant-Man II- died by Scarlet Witch reanimated Jack of Hearts Avengers #500

Dr. Druid-put down by Daimon Hellstrom in Druid #4

Yellowjacket II-killed by Kang controlled Iron Man in Avengers:The Crossing #1

Swordsman I-sacrificed himself for Mantis in Giant Size Avengers #?

Deathcry-accidentally killed by Captain Universe in Starlord #2

Jack of Hearts-finally blew up good in Avengers #62 (I think)

Ares-killed by Sentry in Siege #2

Sentry-killed in Siege #4

Marrina-turned into a leviathan again by Norman Osborn. Again killed by Namor in Dark Reign: The List-X-Men #1

Thunderstrike-succumbed to the blood axe in Thunderstrike #25

NOT-SO-DEAD
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Wasp 1-Van Lente wanted to use her in Dead Avengers but due to what went down in the final issues of Mighty Avengers, was informed she's not quite dead. I.E. She'll be back in time for the movie

Gilgamesh-thought dead during the Crossing, Avengers Forever hinted that he, alongside Mantis, Luna, Tuc, etc were all just Space Phantoms. He was brought back with the rest of the Eternals in that last 2 series they had.

Quasar (and an out of time alive Namorita) returned in the pages of Nova and War of Kings event


of note...ALOT of Dead characters will be returning during the Chaos War mini event. In Chaos War: Dead Avengers 1-3 CM, Vision, Swordsman, Dr. Druid, Deathcry, Yellowjacket take on the Grim Reaper. Chaos War Alpha Flight #1, dead Alphans Guardian, Vindicator, Marrina, and Shaman reteam with their alive compatriots. Chaos War: Ares #1 deals with Ares being under the Chaos Kings thrall and the love for his son Phobos. and Finally Chaos War: X-Men has Banshee, Thunderbird, Steford Cuckoos and dead Multiple Men swooping in to save the day!

Of all this MArrina and the dead Alphans sound like they won't return to the land of the dead when all is said and done.


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