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Not a lot of diversity , check out the pics at the top of this page, it's whiter than a Klan rally during a snow storm \:\)


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Kyle Bastian




Don't worry, there will be a few non-White Avengers, namely the Falcon and the Black Panther.

There are many Avengers of different races and religions:

Aborigine: Manifold
African American: Black Panther, Falcon, Spectrum, War Machine, Rage, Triathlon, Luke Cage, Storm, Captain Universe, Nightmask, Blade, Blue Marvel, Power Man III, Brother Voodoo
Alien: Captain Marvel I, Charlie-27, Martinex, Nikki, Starhawk, Yondu, Marrina, Deathcry, Jack of Hearts (half), Protector, Abyss, Ex Nihilo
Android: Vision, Human Torch I, Vision 2.0
Asian: Mantis, Amadeus Cho, Shang-Chi, Sunfire
Catholic: Firebird, Living Lightning, Ant-Man III, Daredevil
Eternal: Starfox, Sersi
Foreign Born: Thor, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Swordsman, Hercules, Black Panther, Black Widow, Mantis, Sub-Mariner, Gilgamesh, Crystal, Swordsman II, Magdalene, Lionheart, Wolverine, Ares, Spider-Woman, Valkyrie, Storm, Captain Britain, Sunspot, Manifold, Shang-Chi, Sunfire, Kaluu, Brother Voodoo, Sabretooth
Inhuman: Crystal
Jewish: Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Whizzer I, Thing, Moon Knight (albeit that he is a worshipper of Khonshu), Justice, Songbird
Latino: Firebird, Living Lightning, Silverclaw, Sunspot, Victor Mancha, White Tiger IV, Spider-Man II
LGBT: Living Lightning
Muslim: Ms. Marvel III
Mutant: Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Beast, Sub-Mariner, Justice, Firestar, Wolverine, Storm, Havok, Cannonball, Sunspot, Rogue, Sunfire, Deadpool
Native American: Echo
Robot: Machine Man, Jocasta, Doombot
South Asian: Ms. Marvel III

The Avengers need more Native Americans. I want either Red Wolf or Forge to join later on.


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Kyle Bastian




Here's a follow-up to my post: Several Avengers are religious, as revealed in Infinity Crusade mini-series. They include Thor, Captain America, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Hercules, Black Knight, Moondragon, Wonder Man, Moon Knight, Invisible Woman, USAgent, Sersi, Spider-Man, Living Lightning, Crystal, Doctor Strange, Daredevil, and Storm. The Avengers who fought against the Goddess and her army include Iron Man, Hulk, Vision, Black Widow, Beast, She-Hulk, Thing, Mister Fantastic, Rage, Arachne, Firestar, Wolverine, Nova, Havok, Rogue, and Human Torch.


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Hank


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Have been ahead of the curve, Latin heroes and African (both American and not) have been on the roasters for decadses . As far the Film version goes, Fury has been there even before the beginning and was instrumental in getting them formed.





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Reverend Meteor





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    Not a lot of diversity , check out the pics at the top of this page, it's whiter than a Klan rally during a snow storm \:\)


Very white...but the ending of the last movie gave hope. War Machine and Falcon are now Avengers and we should expect Black Panther to eventually be one as well.

Reverend Meteor (I'm hoping Falcon survives Captain America Civil War...movies tend to kill the black guy first)


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Ragnarok





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    Not a lot of diversity , check out the pics at the top of this page, it's whiter than a Klan rally during a snow storm \:\)


The pic doesn't include Vision, War Machine or Falcon. That brings the total to 12 of which 2 are African American. 2/12 = 17%. The African American population of the US currently is 14%, so technically they're over represented. With Black Panther joining the team shortly the team will have more than addressed it's PC quota.

The demographic that is grossly under represented is woman. You could also make a case for Hispanics and Asians. But obviously what is most important is to tell good stories and portray the team and it's members in proper character.




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Reverend Meteor





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      Not a lot of diversity , check out the pics at the top of this page, it's whiter than a Klan rally during a snow storm \:\)



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    The pic doesn't include Vision, War Machine or Falcon. That brings the total to 12 of which 2 are African American. 2/12 = 17%. The African American population of the US currently is 14%, so technically they're over represented. With Black Panther joining the team shortly the team will have more than addressed it's PC quota.



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    The demographic that is grossly under represented is woman. You could also make a case for Hispanics and Asians. But obviously what is most important is to tell good stories and portray the team and it's members in proper character.


I seem to remember a few Hispanic mmebers in the comics (Silverclaw, Firebird, Living Lightning) but the only Asian off the top of my head is Mantis (and she's half-white). The X-books on the other hand have always had plenty of Asian members (Jubilee, Karma, Sunfire, Thunderbird III etc).

I'd say the New Warriors, Thunderbolts and Alpha Flight are even more ethnically diverse than the Avengers.





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First of all, the Avengers was created in the 1960s, before diversity was an issue, so you won't see a lot of it if they make movies based on the first 30 years of the comic. I've watched the Wizard of Oz more times than I can count, and I never see any diversity among the Munchkins. Should the studios be penalized for that retroactively?

Second, how many white people is too many? Because if we're to aim for genuine diversity, should the Avengers only have as many white people as make up the population of the United States? Or the human population in general? And do we try to include all minorities, or are a handful of blacks enough to qualify as diverse(because in America, diversity is often translated into opportunities for blacks, Latinos and certainly Asians are quite invisible)?

And if your question, which implies systemic white racism(why else mention the Klan), is to apply to companies like Marvel and Disney, then what about other entertainment industries? Should Hollywood be required to reduce the number of Jews in its employ to more accurately represent their numbers in the broader population? Should professional Basketball be required to demonstrate greater diversity? Or does that concept only apply to white people?


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    The pic doesn't include Vision, War Machine or Falcon. That brings the total to 12 of which 2 are African American. 2/12 = 17%. The African American population of the US currently is 14%, so technically they're over represented. With Black Panther joining the team shortly the team will have more than addressed it's PC quota..


Maybe you should include Nick Fury then you would have 3 African Americans instead of trying to shoehorn the Panther in like people alway try to do.


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Nigerian Nightmare





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    African American: Black Panther,


I suppose to you everyone from Africa must be African American,right?




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CHAD





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    First of all, the Avengers was created in the 1960s, before diversity was an issue, so you won't see a lot of it if they make movies based on the first 30 years of the comic. I've watched the Wizard of Oz more times than I can count, and I never see any diversity among the Munchkins. Should the studios be penalized for that retroactively?


Diversity wasn't an issue in the 60's? HUh??? Really? If that were true why was there a civil rights movement?


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    Second, how many white people is too many? Because if we're to aim for genuine diversity, should the Avengers only have as many white people as make up the population of the United States? Or the human population in general? And do we try to include all minorities, or are a handful of blacks enough to qualify as diverse(because in America, diversity is often translated into opportunities for blacks, Latinos and certainly Asians are quite invisible)?


Good question, maybe they could start with including some of the non white members in the pic above?


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    And if your question, which implies systemic white racism(why else mention the Klan), is to apply to companies like Marvel and Disney, then what about other entertainment industries? Should Hollywood be required to reduce the number of Jews in its employ to more accurately represent their numbers in the broader population? Should professional Basketball be required to demonstrate greater diversity? Or does that concept only apply to white people?


Lol my question implies that the non white members of the team are invisible for the most part. I cant answer your question since I don't pull the strings in Hollywood, it's just something I noticed. As far as Jews...well which Jews are you talking about? Judaism as I understand it, is a religion....



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    Diversity wasn't an issue in the 60's? HUh??? Really? If that were true why was there a civil rights movement?


The '60s was the START of the civil rights movement. American corporations didn't respond to the changing times until the '80s, which means the issue wasn't on any corporate agenda until then.


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    Good question, maybe they could start with including some of the non white members in the pic above?


So then it's Alvaro's that you're accusing of racism?


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    Lol my question implies that the non white members of the team are invisible for the most part. I cant answer your question since I don't pull the strings in Hollywood, it's just something I noticed. As far as Jews...well which Jews are you talking about? Judaism as I understand it, is a religion....


I didn't think you did have any strings to pull in Hollywood. I was just wondering how consistent you were willing to be in the pursuit of diversity in entertainment. You clearly find it offensive to see an Avengers team made up of mostly white people. Are you just as offended to see a basketball team made up mostly of black people?


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      The pic doesn't include Vision, War Machine or Falcon. That brings the total to 12 of which 2 are African American. 2/12 = 17%. The African American population of the US currently is 14%, so technically they're over represented. With Black Panther joining the team shortly the team will have more than addressed it's PC quota..


This is why I don't like to use the term African American.

I prefer black. Black refers to non Americans as well.



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    Maybe you should include Nick Fury then you would have 3 African Americans instead of trying to shoehorn the Panther in like people alway try to do.





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Ragnarok




I misspoke there, but that's just semantics. The fact remains that Black Panther provides additional ethnic diversity.



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Blargh




While I'm not a fan of PC-ifying stuff, I find it laughable that some people are saying "well this is based on Avengers original comics"...except for Black Widow and Hawkeye being founding members, and Hulk not immiedetly leaving the team after the first movie. And even of those two characters, Hawkeye's characterization is much more similar to Ultimate Hawkeye than the traditional 616 characterization or the more recent Fraction/Aja characterization. Also the heavy presence of SHIELD is certainly not in early Avengers. And that's not even going into the team's individual origins, which takes at least some liberties with the origin in the comics.

I think some of the Marvel Movie folks are afraid of pushing the envelope too hard. It has been noted by comic and cinematic sites that Marvel certainly has a "formula" for its films, and I think a part of that formula is leaving female or minority focused movies for the late phase 3. Avengers 2 certainly made some headway into diversity, with eastern European and African Americans being on the team (I don't know if Scarlet Witch's actress actually is eastern European but she certainly does a better accent than Black Widow).

In contrast, we're getting a lot of diversity out of the live action TV division. Agent Carter is back for a second season. Agents of Shield has Wen and Bennett as Chinese Americans and playing Chinese American characters, and the roster has had African Americans too. The show still has trouble with the women getting much more brutal, torture like treatment more ofthen than the men but I'm hoping they correct that. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones will be on Netflix next month, and I'm hoping that Iron Fist will be a bit more...diverse than the whitewashing that is likely to happen with Dr. Strange.

I think now that we're out of the way of Iron Man 1 being a fluke, Marvel will take more chances on diversity in terms of film. Unfortunately Hollywood can still be a tough place to break that barrier, even in the modern age.


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You don't have to worry about Dr. Strange. They've hired a black actor to play Baron Mordo. So, you know, there'll be some blackwashing too.


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    You don't have to worry about Dr. Strange. They've hired a black actor to play Baron Mordo. So, you know, there'll be some blackwashing too.


Normally I am one to complain about that sort of thing.

But I like Chiwetel Ejiofor too much. I would have rather had him as Black Panther.

Reverend Meteor (do they have black people in Transylvania...isn't Mordo Transylvanian? )


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Reverend Meteor





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      African American: Black Panther,



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    I suppose to you everyone from Africa must be African American,right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-dY1xQ58A


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CHAD





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      Diversity wasn't an issue in the 60's? HUh??? Really? If that were true why was there a civil rights movement?



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    The '60s was the START of the civil rights movement. American corporations didn't respond to the changing times until the '80s, which means the issue wasn't on any corporate agenda until then.


That is not true the Civil rights Movement started in 1955 and it encompassed way more than "any corporate agenda"


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      Good question, maybe they could start with including some of the non white members in the pic above?



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    So then it's Alvaro's that you're accusing of racism?


You are reaching quite a bit here.


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      Lol my question implies that the non white members of the team are invisible for the most part. I cant answer your question since I don't pull the strings in Hollywood, it's just something I noticed. As far as Jews...well which Jews are you talking about? Judaism as I understand it, is a religion....



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    I didn't think you did have any strings to pull in Hollywood. I was just wondering how consistent you were willing to be in the pursuit of diversity in entertainment. You clearly find it offensive to see an Avengers team made up of mostly white people. Are you just as offended to see a basketball team made up mostly of black people?


Reaching again.... \(\-\)


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One day soon you will all be Americans. Muahaha ha HA!




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      Diversity wasn't an issue in the 60's? HUh??? Really? If that were true why was there a civil rights movement?


    The '60s was the START of the civil rights movement. American corporations didn't respond to the changing times until the '80s, which means the issue wasn't on any corporate agenda until then.


The civil rights movement started earlier. It just culminated in important actions being taken in the 60s. Anyway, the point here is that most superheroes from the 60s are white because of historical racism. Using only those heroes today is a reflection of that racism. I'm not saying Marvel should have made these characters a different race, but this cast is clearly not diverse and doesn't reflect the times today.


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      Good question, maybe they could start with including some of the non white members in the pic above?


    So then it's Alvaro's that you're accusing of racism?


I hope you're just being facetious and not serious.


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    I was just wondering how consistent you were willing to be in the pursuit of diversity in entertainment. You clearly find it offensive to see an Avengers team made up of mostly white people. Are you just as offended to see a basketball team made up mostly of black people?


That analogy is completely ridiculous on the face of it. A basketball team is pulled together mostly based on the merit of the players. The Avengers are fictional characters who can be anything the writers want them to be.





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Nigerian Nightmare




Well done for injecting a bit of humor about it here. \:\-\)


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Nigerian Nightmare





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    I misspoke there, but that's just semantics. The fact remains that Black Panther provides additional ethnic diversity.


Yes,I didn't mean to sound too abrupt but I've just lost count of the times that people have called me an African American by mistake.




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Nigerian Nightmare




Yes, I may appear over sensitive about it but it really wears me down the amount of times that people call me African American whenever I am in America. When I tell them that I am just an African,they look at me like they are surprised that as an African I am not wearing some tribal costume or exotic head wear.

Do American regard the term black as being some kind of taboo word? How long before white Americans start calling themselves, European Americans and the like?


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    The civil rights movement started earlier. It just culminated in important actions being taken in the 60s. Anyway, the point here is that most superheroes from the 60s are white because of historical racism. Using only those heroes today is a reflection of that racism. I'm not saying Marvel should have made these characters a different race, but this cast is clearly not diverse and doesn't reflect the times today.


Important POLITICAL actions being taken in the sixties. Corporate America is always the very last to respond to changing times, because they have a lot of money on the line. Change scares them. They routinely wait until they see how entrenched the new times become before taking any action(for the most part). And I don't think you realize how offensive your opinion is. Claiming that superheroes from the sixties are only white because of systemic racism tars everyone with the same brush. And that includes Stan Lee, who had carte blanche when creating characters. In his own words, "I was the editor, all my ideas made it to print." Does that mean you believe Stan Lee is a racist? He created the Avengers, and the first ten were white. And then came T'Challa. Four years into the title, and they had their first black member, who stayed for the next sixty odd issues. It seems to me the black population was therefore represented(in numbers comparable to their percentage of the population).


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    I hope you're just being facetious and not serious.


Facetious? No. Chad very clearly pointed out the banner as being "white as the Klan in winter." Who chose that banner? Who didn't include any of the black cast members(Fury, Falcon and War Machine)? If Chad wants to call attention to the banner as being racist, then who's banner is it? If you're going to scream racism, then be clear about who you're accusing.


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    That analogy is completely ridiculous on the face of it. A basketball team is pulled together mostly based on the merit of the players. The Avengers are fictional characters who can be anything the writers want them to be.


Ah, so you're saying that diversity is only an issue when dealing with fictional characters? Good. Then you won't mind if Hollwood's casting is based on personal merit, and not the color of the actor's skin?


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      The civil rights movement started earlier. It just culminated in important actions being taken in the 60s. Anyway, the point here is that most superheroes from the 60s are white because of historical racism. Using only those heroes today is a reflection of that racism. I'm not saying Marvel should have made these characters a different race, but this cast is clearly not diverse and doesn't reflect the times today.


    Important POLITICAL actions being taken in the sixties. Corporate America is always the very last to respond to changing times, because they have a lot of money on the line. Change scares them. They routinely wait until they see how entrenched the new times become before taking any action(for the most part).


That's an explanation, not an excuse.


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    And I don't think you realize how offensive your opinion is. Claiming that superheroes from the sixties are only white because of systemic racism tars everyone with the same brush. And that includes Stan Lee, who had carte blanche when creating characters. In his own words, "I was the editor, all my ideas made it to print." Does that mean you believe Stan Lee is a racist?


I don't think Stan Lee is a racist in the sense that he consciously disliked one race more than another, but he was racist in that he was a product of growing up in a racist time period and accepted the status quo to a large extent and this included a lack of diversity in Marvel's cast at the time. That said, he wrote a very moving story about the black condition in Silver Surfer #5.


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    He created the Avengers, and the first ten were white. And then came T'Challa. Four years into the title, and they had their first black member, who stayed for the next sixty odd issues. It seems to me the black population was therefore represented(in numbers comparable to their percentage of the population).


No. There were 159 million whites and 19 million blacks in the U.S. in the 1960s. So blacks made up 11% of the population. The first 11 Avengers were white so that when Black Panther joined as the 12th Avenger, as a proportion of all Avengers up to that point, he made the Avengers 8% black. For the first 4 years of Avengers comics, the team was all white.


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      I hope you're just being facetious and not serious.


    Facetious? No. Chad very clearly pointed out the banner as being "white as the Klan in winter." Who chose that banner? Who didn't include any of the black cast members(Fury, Falcon and War Machine)? If Chad wants to call attention to the banner as being racist, then who's banner is it? If you're going to scream racism, then be clear about who you're accusing.


In case you didn't notice, the characters are all members of the Avengers team. Fury is not and so wouldn't belong. Falcon and War Machine only joined at the very end of the last Avengers movie and had minimal screen time so in terms of importance to the Avengers franchise so far, are pretty much dead last. In other words, that banner is pretty representative of the movie Avenger characters so far.


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      That analogy is completely ridiculous on the face of it. A basketball team is pulled together mostly based on the merit of the players. The Avengers are fictional characters who can be anything the writers want them to be.


    Ah, so you're saying that diversity is only an issue when dealing with fictional characters?


No, I didn't say that. Nothing in my statement quantified the limitation of diversity EXCEPT on professional sports teams.


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    Good. Then you won't mind if Hollwood's casting is based on personal merit, and not the color of the actor's skin?


That doesn't even make sense. Hollywood is casting for FICTIONAL characters. In any case, Hollywood casting decisions often have more to do with box office draw, demographic appeal, and relationships with agents and who you know than with actual acting prowess. So yes, I wish casting decisions were more based on merit of acting ability, but we all know that's only a small part of it. Otherwise any number of awful actors out here wouldn't have work.




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    Facetious? No. Chad very clearly pointed out the banner as being "white as the Klan in winter." Who chose that banner? Who didn't include any of the black cast members(Fury, Falcon and War Machine)? If Chad wants to call attention to the banner as being racist, then who's banner is it? If you're going to scream racism, then be clear about who you're accusing.



You really do insist on imposing your narrative on my inquiry...the only person 'screaming' here is you. Perhaps you should  take a deep breath and examine why you appear to be so offended by my observation. You have a very strong "HOW DARE YOU" tone that seems to expose a certain mindset. 



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        The civil rights movement started earlier. It just culminated in important actions being taken in the 60s. Anyway, the point here is that most superheroes from the 60s are white because of historical racism. Using only those heroes today is a reflection of that racism. I'm not saying Marvel should have made these characters a different race, but this cast is clearly not diverse and doesn't reflect the times today.



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      Important POLITICAL actions being taken in the sixties. Corporate America is always the very last to respond to changing times, because they have a lot of money on the line. Change scares them. They routinely wait until they see how entrenched the new times become before taking any action(for the most part).



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    That's an explanation, not an excuse.


and I'm not sure what it explains...


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      And I don't think you realize how offensive your opinion is. Claiming that superheroes from the sixties are only white because of systemic racism tars everyone with the same brush. And that includes Stan Lee, who had carte blanche when creating characters. In his own words, "I was the editor, all my ideas made it to print." Does that mean you believe Stan Lee is a racist?



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    I don't think Stan Lee is a racist in the sense that he consciously disliked one race more than another, but he was racist in that he was a product of growing up in a racist time period and accepted the status quo to a large extent and this included a lack of diversity in Marvel's cast at the time. That said, he wrote a very moving story about the black condition in Silver Surfer #5.



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      He created the Avengers, and the first ten were white. And then came T'Challa. Four years into the title, and they had their first black member, who stayed for the next sixty odd issues. It seems to me the black population was therefore represented(in numbers comparable to their percentage of the population).



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    No. There were 159 million whites and 19 million blacks in the U.S. in the 1960s. So blacks made up 11% of the population. The first 11 Avengers were white so that when Black Panther joined as the 12th Avenger, as a proportion of all Avengers up to that point, he made the Avengers 8% black. For the first 4 years of Avengers comics, the team was all white.



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        I hope you're just being facetious and not serious.



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      Facetious? No. Chad very clearly pointed out the banner as being "white as the Klan in winter." Who chose that banner? Who didn't include any of the black cast members(Fury, Falcon and War Machine)? If Chad wants to call attention to the banner as being racist, then who's banner is it? If you're going to scream racism, then be clear about who you're accusing.



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    In case you didn't notice, the characters are all members of the Avengers team. Fury is not and so wouldn't belong. Falcon and War Machine only joined at the very end of the last Avengers movie and had minimal screen time so in terms of importance to the Avengers franchise so far, are pretty much dead last. In other words, that banner is pretty representative of the movie Avenger characters so far.



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        That analogy is completely ridiculous on the face of it. A basketball team is pulled together mostly based on the merit of the players. The Avengers are fictional characters who can be anything the writers want them to be.



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      Ah, so you're saying that diversity is only an issue when dealing with fictional characters?



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    No, I didn't say that. Nothing in my statement quantified the limitation of diversity EXCEPT on professional sports teams.



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      Good. Then you won't mind if Hollwood's casting is based on personal merit, and not the color of the actor's skin?



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    That doesn't even make sense. Hollywood is casting for FICTIONAL characters. In any case, Hollywood casting decisions often have more to do with box office draw, demographic appeal, and relationships with agents and who you know than with actual acting prowess. So yes, I wish casting decisions were more based on merit of acting ability, but we all know that's only a small part of it. Otherwise any number of awful actors out here wouldn't have work.





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Would that though be an excuse to have the PC crowd at Mouse land force us to have a Black Cap, latino Spidey, gal thor, new Hulk etc?
Why not be creative and bring to movies Black panther and Blue marvel for starters!


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    You really do insist on imposing your narrative on my inquiry...the only person 'screaming' here is you. Perhaps you should  take a deep breath and examine why you appear to be so offended by my observation. You have a very strong "HOW DARE YOU" tone that seems to expose a certain mindset. 

You didn't make an inquiry, you made a statement: "Not a lot of diversity , check out the pics at the top of this page, it's whiter than a Klan rally during a snow storm."
And followed up with a rhetorical question: "Good question, maybe they could start with including some of the non white members in the pic above?"
Perhaps I've wronged you.  Maybe your narrative was misunderstood.  Be a good lad and elaborate as to who you were criticizing, Marvel or Alvaro's?  It would be more enlightening than making cheap shots about my mindset.  This was, after all, your thread.



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    Yes, I may appear over sensitive about it but it really wears me down the amount of times that people call me African American whenever I am in America. When I tell them that I am just an African,they look at me like they are surprised that as an African I am not wearing some tribal costume or exotic head wear.



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    Do American regard the term black as being some kind of taboo word? How long before white Americans start calling themselves, European Americans and the like?


Yes and no. There's a push from people who are "politically correct" to not use the term black for some dumb reason. Most people (white and black) still use black.

To me African American...is just not a well thought out term. It doesn't apply to all black people the way white does to all white people. It singles them out as kind of American instead of them just being American. It's just...clunky.

I'm personally sticking with black.



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