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What did YOU think?

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AVENGERS 675

Grabber cover.

Chronology glitches will be ANNOYING if pointed out but goin' to TRY to ignore the little stuff.

This whole issue of art was enjoyable.

Fun start with LL update. Lightning's argument for dropping the "Living" is weak (and disagreeable). He's THAT famous to be recognized in "disguised" civvies?! He says he's NOT a "full-on" Avenger - makes sense, great. BUT then later on his Identicard is working and he is confirmed to be an (arbitrarily acknowledged) RESERVE member as per the plot device. Sigh. Whatever. It IS good to see the return of another Avenger post-SW & post-SE.

Detective Dan is LL's gay friend.

Presumably all Texans see the samne flash of light in the sky like they do in NYC. Maybe the gravitational chaos between pages too?

Falcon's slipping confidence is a shame.

Non-undead no-lazereyed Redwing has better showing than many heroes this time 'round.

Global crisis is presented. Something BIG and BAD is going... HOLYCRAP the Earth (AND Moon?) is GONE! High Evolutionary would be SO EMBARRASSED how he failed to do this very thing last arc! ;\) Only Carol and her AFSS remain. And she puts out a call for alien help. HA! Good luck with that! No aliens helped against Stevil and now even the GotG aren't answering speed dial. Carol looks good without helmet but it's annoying how that necessity is casually disgarded for artistic license instead of reason.

Meanwhile back on Earth, Beast and Panther (tentatively) determine their planet has been translocated. In/convenient communication problems set up reasonable sitch why other brainiacs aren't consulted.

Avengers do what they do to help a few in the NYC chaos.

Jarvis is a FREEKIN' HERO! \:\) Poor Jarvis! \:\(

Okay, the other heroes' "instant" deployment across the globe is VERY ANNOYING trope.

Synapse helps more than a few. \:\) Voodoo just talks to her. \:\(

Torch stops tidal wave. \:\) Wasp is sent along to stop tidal wave. \:\( Rogue (with powers) and Wanda do something... ??

Remind me what is the heaviest thing we've seen Wasp carry in flight?

UGH!!!!! Occupy Avengers are back. BAH!!!!! And suddenly down to 2 members?

USAvengers still together. Huh. USA Avengers are in Europe. Huh. Toni in thick of it typing on a rock. Huh. Precident is now established for 616-Earth to solve volcanic crises easypeasy now. Huh.

Enigma is (still) Toni's gay friend.

Something from space(?) crash dives to Rome. It's probably the last page surprise guest that shows up easierpeasier in NYC?

nb. There is a GLOBAL INFORMATION NETWORK. And it is easy for T'Challa to use it to find the nomadic Captain America - who must have activated his Identicard comms?

HOLYCRAP superhumans are frozen, in place, across the world. HOLYCRAP "a" synthezoid Viv is definitely back. HOLYCRAP even the X-men got a cameo freeze frame. HOLYCRAP the so-called explanation of the GROSSLY SELECTIVE frozen ONLY COSTUMED superhumans victim list is DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!

So finally we will see ALL the active and reserve acknowledged Avengers... HOLYCRAP what a cruel tease. Obviously, the freeze crisis and bad comms is a LAZY loophole that Marvel can later say "Oh, so-and-so IS still an Avenger with working Identicard". [sarcasm]Soooo, this 16 part series was JUST to bring back LL?[/sarcasm] Hmmph. Whatever. Same old.

Rogue's "Vulcan Spock many over few" arguement to NOT help Jarvis is laughable, kinda. That's what the team has been doing up 'til now. Picking and choosing who to save. Nadia off to help against orders - good. \:\) Beast off -to do his own thing- to help without pause - typical. \:\(

Character moments are too few and far between. Pietro is back. His claim of being "fired" was (and ye reactivated by someone else) is good characterization and burn but also reads so silly and wrong in this moment.

Last page surprise "RETURN" of VOYAGER! https://www.newsarama.com/36649-who-is-avengers-no-surrender-s-voyager-exploring-the-odds.html SURE, she's been SPOILED and TEASED before this already, all over, but still... HOLYCRAP!

Not without it's (debatable) flaws but colour me interested. Excited about this weekly format. The bonus pages were okay too.

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    Quote:
    Fun start with LL update. Lightning's argument for dropping the "Living" is weak (and disagreeable). He's THAT famous to be recognized in "disguised" civvies?! He says he's NOT a "full-on" Avenger - makes sense, great. BUT then later on his Identicard is working and he is confirmed to be an (arbitrarily acknowledged) RESERVE member as per the plot device. Sigh. Whatever. It IS good to see the return of another Avenger post-SW & post-SE.

I'd take issue with his celebrity, but the rest seems to jibe. "Not a 'full-on' Avenger" is extremely vague. He can still be a reservist even if he's never called up.


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    Detective Dan is LL's gay friend.

Wha?! THE Detective Dan?! Does Nickelodeon know?
http://nickelodeon.wikia.com/wiki/Detective_Dan
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    Global crisis is presented. Something BIG and BAD is going... HOLYCRAP the Earth (AND Moon?) is GONE! High Evolutionary would be SO EMBARRASSED how he failed to do this very thing last arc! ;\) Only Carol and her AFSS remain. And she puts out a call for alien help. HA! Good luck with that! No aliens helped against Stevil and now even the GotG aren't answering speed dial. Carol looks good without helmet but it's annoying how that necessity is casually disgarded for artistic license instead of reason.

Okay. Cool.


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    Jarvis is a FREEKIN' HERO! \:\) Poor Jarvis! \:\(
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    Synapse helps more than a few. \:\) Voodoo just talks to her. \:\(

HEY! Synapse is all healed up.


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    Remind me what is the heaviest thing we've seen Wasp carry in flight?

Janet can bend steel bars when tiny.


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    UGH!!!!! Occupy Avengers are back. BAH!!!!! And suddenly down to 2 members?

Hmm... there's a team of X-Men and Avengers in New Mexico this week (see Phoenix Resurrection).


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    Something from space(?) crash dives to Rome. It's probably the last page surprise guest that shows up easierpeasier in NYC?




HOLY--- MEH! I mean it's cool and all, but nothing that exceptional.

I'm just not seeing what all the hubbub is. So, Earth is in another crisis. And this is different than the other eleventy hundred crises?

The ending just doesn't work because everybody seems to know who she is... except us. Who is she? Why should I care? What makes her return so interesting? I think there should have been some kind of #0/Alpha issue that introduced her before this.




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Well, huge fan of anything Avengers, so, I'll have to read it again. I wish the Great Lakes team was here, after all they were dissolved because Hydra Cap said so.

Well, Living Lightning or Lightning is recognizable because as the "villain " said he was a member of the Rangers, so he's more known in that part. If you included Silverclaw and Espirita and perhaps made it a small Hydra op that would of been cool.

Defenders? You couldn't have shown them? If they were frozen in air,would they stay in the air until they were moved?

Doctor Strange should make another unless he was frozen.

It would be nice to see a team of Avengers that are collecting the other heroes and villains.

My thought on Falcon is it would have been better him starting out to doubt himself as Captain America and as time went on he became more confident and end of Secret Empire he realized he didn't need to be Captain America, just himself.

This is a huge event where are Nightmask, Adam and Monica?

I was wondering where is Nightshade myself. I think Nighthawk didn't get killed. Pretty stupid for a hero to get killed in a drive by, he's always thinking. Sure he had a LMD or something in his place.

I didn't get the whole Enigma not wanting her to be a hero? But its okay she's a hero? Thought we would see Smasher as part of the team.

Why was Lightning the narrator of the story?

Wondering where this is all heading and I bet that free comic book day, the story will be the direction the team takes going forward.

Wondering how many Avenger teams we'll see from this. An Avenger team up book would be nice, Avengers who have not met before or have seldom worked together before get to know the others powers and styles better.


Looking forward to the rest of the 15 part.


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    Janet can bend steel bars when tiny.


Wow! I didn't know that. I knew she could exert the full strength of her full-sized form. But superhuman strength? Cool!


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    I'm just not seeing what all the hubbub is. So, Earth is in another crisis. And this is different than the other eleventy hundred crises?


I resist thinking like that. If we can't retread the basic superhero tropes repeatedly forever, we'll end up instead with the "What If" stories of the past 17 years. Sure, new stuff happened, unprecedented stuff, but none of it could be allowed to stand, because it warped the Marvel mythos too much, so everything eventually just evaporated. None of it ever meant anything, because it couldn't, it was too out of left field.


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    The ending just doesn't work because everybody seems to know who she is... except us. Who is she? Why should I care? What makes her return so interesting? I think there should have been some kind of #0/Alpha issue that introduced her before this.


I'm curious about her - but more than that, I'm curious about where Mark Waid is going with this story line. Why is the past different from what we thought it was? How does this altered past tie into the current crisis?








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    Wow! I didn't know that. I knew she could exert the full strength of her full-sized form. But superhuman strength? Cool!


From the 1985 Handbook:

"As she grows smaller, her strength increases, and at one foot in height, she can bend a two-inch diameter steel bar nearly double." Meaning she can bend it nearly all the way back upon itself.

This is from subsequent experiments done on her by Hank Pym.




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How does Jarvis is get hurt? I read a review of this on YouTube and it seems that KISMET is back? If so, strange! When was the last time that she was used? I remember her being in Chris Claremont's Fantastic Four run, but that was a loooooong time ago! It sounds like there's some cool stuff in here.


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Dane Whitman also conducted tests on Janet and the results helped her to discover what sizes she could fly at, her strength levels etc.

I can’t remember the issue number offhand but it was around the time of the Siege of Avenger’s Mansion.


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1. Her/Kismet

2. Aleta

3. One of Starhawk and Aleta's dead daughters (Tara or Sita)...thus making her Her's granddaughter.

4. Adam Warlock has a daughter (yes I'm fixated on the idea she's related to Adam or Kismet. She doesn't have pupils or irises)

5. Quasar and Aleta have a daughter from the future.

6. Luna. Her hair is silver like Pietro and her costume is like that yellow one Crystal used to wear.

7. Vector's daughter

8. Kid Marvelman's daughter

9. Lilandra, D'Ken and Deathbird's occasionally mentioned but never named older sister. I think the Shi'ar also have that all white eyeball thing going on.

10. Nebulon's daughter...and I think I might be right about this one. The whole gist of this storyline is that someone has abducted earth right? Nebulon's people wanted earth's resources. And he's got that whole blank eye thing going on. His costume is pretty yellow. But he's a much uglier alien in disguise.





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Avengers #264. Also introduced Rita, the new Yellowjacket.


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    10. Nebulon's daughter...and I think I might be right about this one. The whole gist of this storyline is that someone has abducted earth right? Nebulon's people wanted earth's resources. And he's got that whole blank eye thing going on. His costume is pretty yellow. But he's a much uglier alien in disguise.


I like your #10 guess the best. Doesn't have to be Nebulon's daughter. It could be any member of that race.







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I'm sticking with daughter of Odin and the Phoenix Force. Why else would Marvel have come up with that idea?




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I trust the man about as far as I can throw him, but this is one that Brevoort has publicly denied.

IOW, you could be right.




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ugh. It's bad enough they gave him that other daughter Angela.





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