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Subject: Avengers #676: NO SURRENDER Part 2! Posted Tue Jan 16, 2018 at 05:08:35 pm EST (Viewed 528 times) |
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Subject: Re: Avengers #676: NO SURRENDER Part 2! [Re: [PREVIEW]] Posted Wed Jan 17, 2018 at 07:26:12 am EST (Viewed 419 times) |
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Subject: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: aquamariner] Posted Wed Jan 17, 2018 at 11:29:24 am EST (Viewed 414 times) |
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Quote: is she Valeria Richards from future
Quote: https://static2.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/AVEN676-6.jpg
Suggested same on Saturday:
http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2018011400202052
JUST NOW, READ THE ISSUE (also source of banner submission)...
Avengers 676: Part 2 of 16
• Enjoyable art even if Rogue's hair is superpoofy.
• Effectively teased mystery malady making Jarvis' recovery questionable.
• So, does UNAFFILIATED a grouping of Reserve (Lightning) and Inactive/Dead (Voyager)? And after last issue's big reintro - did Miguel Santos even cameo in this meeting?!
• Nice to get big group gathering scenes. This may be the first one of ALL published Avengers since INCURSION?! Unforgivable, Marvel.
• So, thaaaaat's Voyager's ORIGIN. The phony flashbacks fit in seamlessly. Hmm, does that mean the KOOKY QUARTET are remembered as the KOOKY QUINTET?  And of course Avenger X is completely ignored here. This is truly remembered by all as surely as Sentry's existence was truly forgotten. (Let's hope she ain't a Legacy version of him. Already regretting mentioning it.)
• Cap didn't feel the need to Assemble! Or maybe he is en route with slow motorcycle? Hmm...
• Intro: VICTORY The Electromagnetic Man! Hmm...
• Wow. Those 3 'leaders' do not mesh well at all. THIS team really should agree on one.
• Glimpse of some of the FROZEN heroes is better than nothing. But not by much. Also, the fact that some are gathered offers minimal exposition on that plot device crisis. Ditto the techommunitions and magicky sitch it mentioned. But the parameters of this crisis needs A LOT more exposition detail ASAP to make the story work better. NZo room this chapter for other superhumans of Earth to cameo either was a bit disappointing.
• Intro: An ALL-NEW LETHAL LEGION. Hmm... They look formidable. A bunch of character bits thrown in for fun fan speculating.
• Return of THE BLACK ORDER. Uhm, isn't someone supposed to be dead there? Or is it a Universe 8 resurrection thing going on or new version or something else? Wasn't there discontent among some of them too, after INFINITY?
• Looks like they got a Cosmic Chess Match going on. Probably the 2 Elders brothers, eh? They have an opening scuffle to give readers some showings indication of their powers.
• Sometimes Falcon's power is presented supercrazy levels but here it is downplayed to more limited usefulness. Missed opp for Redwing to spotlight again to have him specifically detect the floaters.  On the plus side it is the ONLY showing of any kind readers get of the good guys. Sheesh, their combined powers couldn't even detect 2 supervillains overhead!!??
• Trope cliffhanger. There goes another Mansion. Probably no one is worried at all with Wanda and Voodoo there to pull off a giant shield, eh? Or maybe Voyager will surprise us.
• Clearly this will be 16 parts at this pace. Still liked it well enough for now, though.
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Subject: Re: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: emerick man] Posted Wed Jan 17, 2018 at 12:36:50 pm EST (Viewed 379 times) |
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Voyager reminds me of that plot in Rick and Morty where alien parasites infect Morty's family and appear to the family as new characters they have always known all along and everyone has nothing but positive memories of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gKZ_MXvZH4
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Subject: Re: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: emerick man] Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 at 04:05:06 pm EST (Viewed 337 times) |
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Quote: JUST NOW, READ THE ISSUE (also source of banner submission)...
Quote: Avengers 676: Part 2 of 16
Quote: • Enjoyable art even if Rogue's hair is superpoofy.
Ridiculous to even mention it, I know, but the two female characters in this story who have white hair are Rogue and... Voyager.
Quote: • Effectively teased mystery malady making Jarvis' recovery questionable.
So do we think Jarvis is in the hospital? Or did Wasp and Beast abscond with him to some secret lab? I'm guessing the hospital but if so, why are they in the room by themselves with no other doctors or nurses? Because the regular staff are so busy that Wasp and Beast could just walk in and take over a room with no one challenging them? So weird.
Quote: • So, does UNAFFILIATED a grouping of Reserve (Lightning) and Inactive/Dead (Voyager)?
I'm not sure what you're asking, but Lightning and Voyager weren't on any of the other teams so they're unaffiliated. And including Jarvis at all is kind of sweet, I think.
Quote: And after last issue's big reintro - did Miguel Santos even cameo in this meeting?!
He said, "Yeah, you're a lot better known than I am. After all, you helped start the team..."
Quote: • Nice to get big group gathering scenes. This may be the first one of ALL published Avengers since INCURSION?! Unforgivable, Marvel.
Cool to see it.
Quote: • So, thaaaaat's Voyager's ORIGIN.
I wouldn't use that word since we don't really know her powers (something about space/time and portals) and, whatever they are, we don't know how she got them.
Incidentally, whatever powers Voyager might have - Rogue could have them too if she absorbed them from somebody.
Obviously Voyager is a future Rogue. I mean, come on. Either a future Rogue or a future Thundra after the High Evolutionary got through with her.
Quote: The phony flashbacks fit in seamlessly.
Yes they did. The amazing thing is that Quicksilver actually likes somebody.
Love that pic of the Vision by John Buscema. Man, do I miss them both.
Quote: Hmm, does that mean the KOOKY QUARTET are remembered as the KOOKY QUINTET?
Undoubtedly. But I wonder how powerful Voyager is. If she's a blockbuster, then the Kooky Quintet was a very different proposition from the Kooky Quartet. Also, Captain America is diminished by this retcon. After all, this very era of the Avengers is what made him the unquestioned leader in any scenario. The "A" on his forehead could practically stand for "Avenger" first and foremost because of this very era. That effect must surely be diluted in this retconned reality.
Hmm. "A" on Cap's head. "V" on Voyager's belt. A-V-engers. I bet they were a romantic couple. Mom and Dad of the Avengers. They certainly seem to be standing pretty close to one another.
Quote: And of course Avenger X is completely ignored here.
I have no idea who that is and maybe I don't want to know. Do I want to know?
Quote: This is truly r emembered by all as surely as Sentry's existence was truly forgotten. (Let's hope she ain't a Legacy version of him. Already regretting mentioning it.)
I have removed your comment from the space/time continuum with my godlike Maintainer powers.
Quote: • Cap didn't feel the need to Assemble! Or maybe he is en route with slow motorcycle? Hmm...
Or maybe he isn't sure he'd be welcomed by his ex? I'm telling you, man, Cap and Voyager were an item. But it didn't end well. She wanted to rename the team "The Vengeful" so it would match her belt, but Cap was having none of that.
Quote: • Intro: VICTORY The Electromagnetic Man! Hmm...
An electromagnetic field gives him mastery of reality itself. Not sure I get that. But it's comic book science so why am I even questioning it?
Nevertheless, pretty much everything is an electromagnetic field ensconced in space/time so Victory and Voyager ("V" and "V") put together would indeed seem to equal some sort of totality.
Quote: • Wow. Those 3 'leaders' do not mesh well at all. THIS team really should agree on one.
Which I think was about to happen. Voyager was in the process of taking control. Which is good if she's good and sinister if she's sinister.
Quote: • Glimpse of some of the FROZEN heroes is better than nothing. But not by much. Also, the fact that some are gathered offers minimal exposition on that plot device crisis. Ditto the techommunitions and magicky sitch it mentioned. But the parameters of this crisis needs A LOT more exposition detail ASAP to make the story work better. NZo room this chapter for other superhumans of Earth to cameo either was a bit disappointing.
We're learning things as the Avengers learn them. Seems pretty natural and organic to me.
Quote: • Intro: An ALL-NEW LETHAL LEGION. Hmm... They look formidable. A bunch of character bits thrown in for fun fan speculating.
Quote: • Return of THE BLACK ORDER. Uhm, isn't someone supposed to be dead there? Or is it a Universe 8 resurrection thing going on or new version or something else? Wasn't there discontent among some of them too, after INFINITY?
All of the characters are brand new to me, even the ones who aren't actually brand new, except for the Blood Brothers, whom I know from the original Thanos epic back in the Bronze Age. Therefore I love the "Assembly" page at the end of the comic.
Quote: • Looks like they got a Cosmic Chess Match going on. Probably the 2 Elders brothers, eh? They have an opening scuffle to give readers some showings indication of their powers.
This does seem like another instance of the type of scenario where Voyager met her demise.
Quote: • Sometimes Falcon's power is presented supercrazy levels but here it is downplayed to more limited usefulness. Missed opp for Redwing to spotlight again to have him specifically detect the floaters. On the plus side it is the ONLY showing of any kind readers get of the good guys. Sheesh, their combined powers couldn't even detect 2 supervillains overhead!!??
Most of the good guys don't have information powers. AIM was doing its best but was a little behind the eight ball. I have to admit, though, Doctor Voodoo was nowhere near as helpful as Doctor Strange would likely have been.
More to the point, though, in my opinion, is the fact that the Avengers made the assumption they had the luxury of time to map out a strategy before an attack came. I would hope Steve Rogers would be smarter than that, but he wasn't there. Sam was there, however, and he didn't, in my opinion, employ the sort of tactical thinking he surely must have learned from Steve Rogers. The first thing they should have done was find some way to post sentries. The Human Torch and Cannonball flying around outside would have been better than nothing.
Quote: • Trope cliffhanger. There goes another Mansion. Probably no one is worried at all with Wanda and Voodoo there to pull off a giant shield, eh? Or maybe Voyager will surprise us.
We can be sure the Avengers survived. The mansion is toast, though. Which, frankly, seems fine to me. I always loved the mansion, but still, if we're being realistic, the mansion should never have lasted weeks, let alone years. It's just a house, for crying out loud. Almost anybody who can fight the Avengers can obliterate a house.
Quote: • Clearly this will be 16 parts at this pace. Still liked it well enough for now, though.
Totally enjoying it. This is a really fun comic.
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Subject: Re: Matchmaker, matchmaker... [Re: America's Captain] Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 at 08:06:28 pm EST (Viewed 341 times) |
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Quote: Ridiculous to even mention it, I know, but the two female characters in this story who have white hair are Rogue and... Voyager.
So? ...oooh lower down you think they might be the saaame. Hmm... (Rogue develop a taste for alliteration and changed her name?)
Quote: So do we think Jarvis is in the hospital? Or did Wasp and Beast abscond with him to some secret lab? I'm guessing the hospital but if so, why are they in the room by themselves with no other doctors or nurses? Because the regular staff are so busy that Wasp and Beast could just walk in and take over a room with no one challenging them? So weird.
Seemed like regular hospital where they employed Avengers priority priviledges to secure a room and Beast jury rigged the tech to be better. (Selfishly just because he thought Jarvis alone was worth it? On the other hand maybe he'll let the hospital keep the upgrade.)
Quote: I'm not sure what you're asking, but Lightning and Voyager weren't on any of the other teams so they're unaffiliated. And including Jarvis at all is kind of sweet, I think.
Just inferred they are 'some kind' of member by the term 'Unaffiliated'. Since Santos showed up in response to Identicard summons. And Valerie Vector actual was authorized to make that summons. Plus they were immediately accepted back in the ranks.
Quote: He said, "Yeah, you're a lot better known than I am. After all, you helped start the team..."
D'oh! Of course you're right.
Quote: I wouldn't use that word since we don't really know her powers (something about space/time and portals) and, whatever they are, we don't know how she got them.
Incidentally, whatever powers Voyager might have - Rogue could have them too if she absorbed them from somebody.
Obviously Voyager is a future Rogue. I mean, come on. Either a future Rogue or a future Thundra after the High Evolutionary got through with her.
Hmm... Ravonna could be from future too.
Quote: Yes they did. The amazing thing is that Quicksilver actually likes somebody.
Heh. He liked Finesse. That was a nice friendship.
Quote: Love that pic of the Vision by John Buscema. Man, do I miss them both.
Who's gonna argue!
Quote: Undoubtedly. But I wonder how powerful Voyager is. If she's a blockbuster, then the Kooky Quintet was a very different proposition from the Kooky Quartet. Also, Captain America is diminished by this retcon. After all, this very era of the Avengers is what made him the unquestioned leader in any scenario. The "A" on his forehead could practically stand for "Avenger" first and foremost because of this very era. That effect must surely be diluted in this retconned reality.
Hmm. "A" on Cap's head. "V" on Voyager's belt. A-V-engers. I bet they were a romantic couple. Mom and Dad of the Avengers. They certainly seem to be standing pretty close to one another.
Cap already has a future wife and Avengers Next kid doesn't he? He might be more of a "One What If Man - Woman".  Besides, who wants another Sentry/Crystal retcon fling?
Quote: I have no idea who that is and maybe I don't want to know. Do I want to know?
Retconned member confirmed. Circa Kooky Quartet. *BOOOOO HISSSSS*
Quote: I have removed your comment from the space/time continuum with my godlike Maintainer powers.
Quote:
Or maybe he isn't sure he'd be welcomed by his ex? I'm telling you, man, Cap and Voyager were an item. But it didn't end well. She wanted to rename the team "The Vengeful" so it would match her belt, but Cap was having none of that.
Matchmaker, Matchmaker...
Quote: An electromagnetic field gives him mastery of reality itself. Not sure I get that. But it's comic book science so why am I even questioning it?
Nevertheless, pretty much everything is an electromagnetic field ensconced in space/time so Victory and Voyager ("V" and "V") put together would indeed seem to equal some sort of totality.
Hmm...
Quote: Which I think was about to happen. Voyager was in the process of taking control. Which is good if she's good and sinister if she's sinister.
It's a fun story element not knowing yet which side of the fence she is on. In spite of how things look in some eyes.
Quote: We're learning things as the Avengers learn them. Seems pretty natural and organic to me.
Well, its unfolding much more engaging than a Champions story of late. Still a bit wanting in places, imo.
Quote: All of the characters are brand new to me, even the ones who aren't actually brand new, except for the Blood Brothers, whom I know from the original Thanos epic back in the Bronze Age. Therefore I love the "Assembly" page at the end of the comic.
Yeah, that Blood Brothers redesign is gonna need some Lucy Splainin' too. Assuming it's the same 2.
Quote: Most of the good guys don't have information powers. AIM was doing its best but was a little behind the eight ball. I have to admit, though, Doctor Voodoo was nowhere near as helpful as Doctor Strange would likely have been.
More to the point, though, in my opinion, is the fact that the Avengers made the assumption they had the luxury of time to map out a strategy before an attack came. I would hope Steve Rogers would be smarter than that, but he wasn't there. Sam was there, however, and he didn't, in my opinion, employ the sort of tactical thinking he surely must have learned from Steve Rogers. The first thing they should have done was find some way to post sentries. The Human Torch and Cannonball flying around outside would have been better than nothing.
Hmm... Maybe Voodoo is a little jealous that Wanda was upset about the Synthezoid when they could be holding hands in front of everyone instead? *cue Fiddler on the Roof*
Quote: We can be sure the Avengers survived. The mansion is toast, though. Which, frankly, seems fine to me. I always loved the mansion, but still, if we're being realistic, the mansion should never have lasted weeks, let alone years. It's just a house, for crying out loud. Almost anybody who can fight the Avengers can obliterate a house.
But we just got it back! Johnny did a mature decent thing to get it! Well, at least this is another way to bring in the GLA if they offer up their HQ.
Quote: Totally enjoying it. This is a really fun comic.
So far, so good. More or less.
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Subject: Re: Matchmaker, matchmaker... [Re: emerick man] Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 at 10:09:54 pm EST (Viewed 330 times) |
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I was going to change the subject line to indicate I was only replying to one thing, but then I looked at your subject line, and I realized I couldn't possibly improve on it.
(I'm not replying to anything else for the simple reason that I agree with everything you said.)
Quote: Hmm... Maybe Voodoo is a little jealous that Wanda was upset about the Synthezoid when they could be holding hands in front of everyone instead? *cue Fiddler on the Roof*
One glance from the Vision - if there was real love in it - and Wanda would forget who Doctor Voodoo even was.
The android's eyes meet hers.
Voodoo: "I must say, Wanda, this has been some day so far."
Wanda:
Voodoo: "Earth stolen. Superbeings frozen. Voyager returned. The mansion destroyed."
Wanda:
Voodoo: "I think you and I must pool our resources and strive to be of greater assistance than we have been thus far."
Wanda:
Voodoo: "Wanda? Are you listening to me? WANDA!"
Wanda: "Oh, I'm sorry, I was distracted. I think I'll call it a night. See you in the morning."
Voodoo: "Wanda! Are you all right? What's wrong?"
Wanda:
The sorceress turns away without a word, a bemused expression on her face.
The android sits in silence.
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Subject: Re: Ha! Nice one! [Re: America's Captain] Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 at 10:39:43 pm EST (Viewed 324 times) |
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Quote: I was going to change the subject line to indicate I was only replying to one thing, but then I looked at your subject line, and I realized I couldn't possibly improve on it.
Quote: (I'm not replying to anything else for the simple reason that I agree with everything you said.)
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Quote: Hmm... Maybe Voodoo is a little jealous that Wanda was upset about the Synthezoid when they could be holding hands in front of everyone instead? *cue Fiddler on the Roof*
Quote: One glance from the Vision - if there was real love in it - and Wanda would forget who Doctor Voodoo even was.
Quote: The android's eyes meet hers.
Quote: Voodoo: "I must say, Wanda, this has been some day so far."
Quote: Voodoo: "Earth stolen. Superbeings frozen. Voyager returned. The mansion destroyed."
Quote: Voodoo: "I think you and I must pool our resources and strive to be of greater assistance than we have been thus far."
Quote: Voodoo: "Wanda? Are you listening to me? WANDA!"
Quote: Wanda: "Oh, I'm sorry, I was distracted. I think I'll call it a night. See you in the morning."
Quote: Voodoo: "Wanda! Are you all right? What's wrong?"
Quote: The sorceress turns away without a word, a bemused expression on her face.
Quote: The android sits in silence.
Ha! Nice one!
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Subject: Re: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: emerick man] Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 at 09:26:40 am EST (Viewed 365 times) |
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Quote: • Enjoyable art even if Rogue's hair is superpoofy.
FEH! Her has has been more superawesome before.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/ed/94/fbed94431dff8f2d7f64c254d64953a5.jpg
Quote: • So, does UNAFFILIATED a grouping of Reserve (Lightning) and Inactive/Dead (Voyager)? And after last issue's big reintro - did Miguel Santos even cameo in this meeting?!
More than a cameo. He talks a bit. He's the other non-constumed brown guy at the meeting, wearing a suit jacket with no tie.
Quote: • So, thaaaaat's Voyager's ORIGIN. The phony flashbacks fit in seamlessly. Hmm, does that mean the KOOKY QUARTET are remembered as the KOOKY QUINTET? And of course Avenger X is completely ignored here. This is truly remembered by all as surely as Sentry's existence was truly forgotten. (Let's hope she ain't a Legacy version of him. Already regretting mentioning it.)
I'm not sure whether to be impressed with the scalpel use of inserting her into continuity or just infuriated by it.
Quote: • Intro: An ALL-NEW LETHAL LEGION. Hmm... They look formidable. A bunch of character bits thrown in for fun fan speculating.
All very cool looking. I hope they do more than look good.
Quote: • Return of THE BLACK ORDER. Uhm, isn't someone supposed to be dead there? Or is it a Universe 8 resurrection thing going on or new version or something else? Wasn't there discontent among some of them too, after INFINITY?
Proxima just died in the Unworthy Thor mini.
Corvus just died in Thanos.
Supergiant seemed to die during Infinity, but apparently, she's some kind of spirit or something.
Black Dwarf was killed by Ronan during Infinity.
Quote: • Sometimes Falcon's power is presented supercrazy levels but here it is downplayed to more limited usefulness. Missed opp for Redwing to spotlight again to have him specifically detect the floaters. On the plus side it is the ONLY showing of any kind readers get of the good guys. Sheesh, their combined powers couldn't even detect 2 supervillains overhead!!??
I could see being technologically blind on a global scale, but surely NYC's own cameras plus any special Avengers cameras/detection tech would see this coming.
Very OMG moment, but at the same time, very, very lame.
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Subject: Re: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: America's Captain] Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 at 09:50:56 am EST (Viewed 289 times) |
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Quote: • So, thaaaaat's Voyager's ORIGIN.
Quote: I wouldn't use that word since we don't really know her powers (something about space/time and portals) and, whatever they are, we don't know how she got them.
Quote: Incidentally, whatever powers Voyager might have - Rogue could have them too if she absorbed them from somebody.
Quote: Obviously Voyager is a future Rogue. I mean, come on. Either a future Rogue or a future Thundra after the High Evolutionary got through with her.
OMG! It's so clear now! Voyager is the unknown daughter of Rogue and Sentry who was sent into the past to form the Avengers.
Okay. Someone delete this before Marvel gets any ideas.
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Quote: Hmm, does that mean the KOOKY QUARTET are remembered as the KOOKY QUINTET?
Quote: Undoubtedly. But I wonder how powerful Voyager is. If she's a blockbuster, then the Kooky Quintet was a very different proposition from the Kooky Quartet. Also, Captain America is diminished by this retcon. After all, this very era of the Avengers is what made him the unquestioned leader in any scenario. The "A" on his forehead could practically stand for "Avenger" first and foremost because of this very era. That effect must surely be diluted in this retconned reality.
Quote: Hmm. "A" on Cap's head. "V" on Voyager's belt. A-V-engers. I bet they were a romantic couple. Mom and Dad of the Avengers. They certainly seem to be standing pretty close to one another.
This is why I teeter on "infuriating." The Kooky Quartet loses all of its charm with her around. I think it might have been better to have her killed in Avengers first mission, but they're probably tying this story into the one in Avengers v1 #70.
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Quote: And of course Avenger X is completely ignored here.
Quote: I have no idea who that is and maybe I don't want to know. Do I want to know?
Recently retconned character just last year (see the start of the last Avengers series and Point One issues). She had this great power, but to fuel it, she had to kill people. Her retconned history is that she was an early Avengers recruit gone bad and kept secret. And this is the other reason I teeter on infuriation-- Marvel needs to stop building stories on retcons.
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Quote: • Cap didn't feel the need to Assemble! Or maybe he is en route with slow motorcycle? Hmm...
Quote: Or maybe he isn't sure he'd be welcomed by his ex? I'm telling you, man, Cap and Voyager were an item. But it didn't end well. She wanted to rename the team "The Vengeful" so it would match her belt, but Cap was having none of that.
Cap is frozen. We saw him in Washington DC last issue.
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Quote: • Trope cliffhanger. There goes another Mansion. Probably no one is worried at all with Wanda and Voodoo there to pull off a giant shield, eh? Or maybe Voyager will surprise us.
Quote: We can be sure the Avengers survived. The mansion is toast, though. Which, frankly, seems fine to me. I always loved the mansion, but still, if we're being realistic, the mansion should never have lasted weeks, let alone years. It's just a house, for crying out loud. Almost anybody who can fight the Avengers can obliterate a house.
Well, we can be sure some survived. Not necessarily all of them.
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Subject: Re: Better than BND... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 at 10:24:57 am EST (Viewed 328 times) |
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Okay, but Art Adams can make anyone look good.  Also, generally try to block out the Australian X-men days.
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Quote: I'm not sure whether to be impressed with the scalpel use of inserting her into continuity or just infuriated by it.
Well, it can't be that bad... presuming it won't stick like Sentry's retconning did. Or the BND deal that merely changed that one instance of canon.
Quote: All very cool looking. I hope they do more than look good.
Agreed.
Quote: Proxima just died in the Unworthy Thor mini.
Corvus just died in Thanos.
Supergiant seemed to die during Infinity, but apparently, she's some kind of spirit or something.
Black Dwarf was killed by Ronan during Infinity.
Ahh. Recalled at least one of those. Thanks. This demands more Lucy Splainin' ASAP in the story too - unless it's just part of the Voyager Rewrite.
Quote: I could see being technologically blind on a global scale, but surely NYC's own cameras plus any special Avengers cameras/detection tech would see this coming.
Or even people on the street shouting. Hellooo, Synapse? And the satellite bouncing problem better not be soley an energy issue 'cuz they got Lightning and Mjolnir right in the room.
Quote: Very OMG moment, but at the same time, very, very lame
Yup. Same as last ish. OMG outweighing lame, ATM...
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Subject: Re: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 at 12:31:23 pm EST (Viewed 331 times) |
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Proxima just died in the Unworthy Thor mini.
Corvus just died in Thanos.
Supergiant seemed to die during Infinity, but apparently, she's some kind of spirit or something.
Black Dwarf was killed by Ronan during Infinity.
I'm glad they're back and I hope they survive these 16 weekly issues. The Avengers need some good bad teams to recurringly tussle with.
The fact that three of them were dead and aren't spirit beings could be another signal (if we needed one) that all is not what it seems.
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Subject: Re: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 at 01:02:59 pm EST (Viewed 309 times) |
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Quote: OMG! It's so clear now! Voyager is the unknown daughter of Rogue and Sentry who was sent into the past to form the Avengers.
Quote: Okay. Someone delete this before Marvel gets any ideas.
By the Zatanna-like powers vested in me as a Maintainer - daerht siht ees reven llahs Levram.
Quote: This is why I teeter on "infuriating." The Kooky Quartet loses all of its charm with her around. I think it might have been better to have her killed in Avengers first mission, but they're probably tying this story into the one in Avengers v1 #70.
I agree the Kooky Quartet loses its charm. But I don't expect Voyager to survive these 16 issues in the form we now know her. She either doesn't exist at all or she's some disgusting monster like Nebulon as the Reverend suggested.
On the other hand, I find I really like the prospect of the cosmic chess players being Franklin and Valeria. So no, Voyager wouldn't be Valeria, exactly. She would be an idealized version of Valeria dreamed up by Franklin.
Reed and Sue are going to be really angry.
But the Kooky Quartet will emerge unscathed from these 16 issues. I'm sure of it.
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Cap is frozen. We saw him in Washington DC last issue.
Party poop.
I considered double-checking but it was more fun to just run with Emerick Man's underlying assumption. In the end, I'd rather have fun than be right.
Quote: Well, we can be sure some survived. Not necessarily all of them.
True. The most likely cannon fodder is Synapse, I think. Apparently she controls animals and is strong and fast. So why call her "Synapse"? Stupid name. Why give her a sci-fi costume? Stupid look. She's a Golden Age jungle vixen, or could be, except she's a teen. Stupid age.
Synapse is toast.
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Subject: Re: Better than BND... [Re: emerick man] Posted Sat Jan 20, 2018 at 08:47:51 am EST (Viewed 322 times) |
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Aww... that's kind of the last time X-Men were truly brilliant to me. Anyway...
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Quote: I'm not sure whether to be impressed with the scalpel use of inserting her into continuity or just infuriated by it.
Well, it can't be that bad... presuming it won't stick like Sentry's retconning did. Or the BND deal that merely changed that one instance of canon.
Well, at least a character didn't have to become a creep for this to work.
.......Yet.
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Quote: Proxima just died in the Unworthy Thor mini.
Corvus just died in Thanos.
Supergiant seemed to die during Infinity, but apparently, she's some kind of spirit or something.
Black Dwarf was killed by Ronan during Infinity.
Ahh. Recalled at least one of those. Thanks. This demands more Lucy Splainin' ASAP in the story too - unless it's just part of the Voyager Rewrite.
As far as we know, Avengers #71-676 happened as we know them.
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Quote: I could see being technologically blind on a global scale, but surely NYC's own cameras plus any special Avengers cameras/detection tech would see this coming.
Or even people on the street shouting. Hellooo, Synapse? And the satellite bouncing problem better not be soley an energy issue 'cuz they got Lightning and Mjolnir right in the room.
The world was already in such chaos at this point, I'm not sure she would notice, or maybe she had to block out all of the fuss.
Would Marvel NYers even bat an eye to another supervillain?
"Galactus visited again, and Wall Street rallied. News at 11."
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Subject: Re: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: America's Captain] Posted Sat Jan 20, 2018 at 09:17:58 am EST (Viewed 330 times) |
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I too am really enjoying this ride so far. Here are some of my thoughts, apologies if they seem redundant with everyone else.
1) I think we are all pretty aware that this recon with Voyager is not going to stick, correct? I am interested to see where they are going with this and as many others have said the way they seamlessly included her into the Avengers past was pretty cool. My bet is that Voyager time traveling Valeria Richards.
2)I agree that no one in that mansion was aware of the pending attack is just plain silly.
3) Not a fan of the Black Order, was happy they were dead, hope they return to the grave very soon. Unsold on the new Lethal Legion, In fact, the members of both these teams look interchangeable and equally forgettable. But it's always fun to see the Blood Brothers (although I prefer their old look & was one of them dead?)
Captain Glory (although the coolest looking member) is yet another example of Marvel's inability to leave things alone. Grant Morrison's Marvel Boy was a great, thoughtful story that should have been left where it was. But since Marvel Boy/Protector/the Inhuman Kid's arrival into the 616 he has floundered around and never really lived up to the character Morrison first created. Did they learn from that mistake? Of course not, they double down and now we have Capt. Glory. Ugh. Oh Marvel, will you ever learn?
Overall I am really enjoying this ride so far and am curious to see where it will go but if Voyager's continuity sticks I am gone.
#avengerXneverforgotten
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Subject: Re: Make Mine Melvar... [Re: The Voice of Reason] Posted Sat Jan 20, 2018 at 10:56:09 am EST (Viewed 396 times) |
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Quote: I too am really enjoying this ride so far. Here are some of my thoughts, apologies if they seem redundant with everyone else.
Good stuff.
Quote: 1) I think we are all pretty aware that this recon with Voyager is not going to stick, correct? I am interested to see where they are going with this and as many others have said the way they seamlessly included her into the Avengers past was pretty cool. My bet is that Voyager time traveling Valeria Richards.
Good guess as any. In lieu of preview, ATM, rereading the solicits for clues again...
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=avengers-2018011700225694
Quote: 3) Not a fan of the Black Order, was happy they were dead, hope they return to the grave very soon. Unsold on the new Lethal Legion, In fact, the members of both these teams look interchangeable and equally forgettable. But it's always fun to see the Blood Brothers (although I prefer their old look & was one of them dead?)
Captain Glory (although the coolest looking member) is yet another example of Marvel's inability to leave things alone. Grant Morrison's Marvel Boy was a great, thoughtful story that should have been left where it was. But since Marvel Boy/Protector/the Inhuman Kid's arrival into the 616 he has floundered around and never really lived up to the character Morrison first created. Did they learn from that mistake? Of course not, they double down and now we have Capt. Glory. Ugh. Oh Marvel, will you ever learn?
Noh Varr is getting way convoluted and should probably be killed off. Then Marvel can start playing up Mel-Varr Kid Kree more.
Black Order
◾ Corvus Glaive -That's the best of that bunch (ie. made leader again)?!
◾ Black Dwarf -Hmm...
◾ Supergiant -That's a psychic projection?!
◾ Proxima Midnight -Badass, takes out Mansion by her spear alone?!
◾ Ebony Maw -Hmm...
◾ Black Swan (Yabbat Ummon Turru) -That's her real name?!
Lethal Legion II
◾ Ferene -Hmm...
◾ Mentacle -Cool blended name. Avengers are pathetically psi-challenged so he could be trouble.
◾ Drall -Nice trash talking. "From Beyond the Stars" as in Mangog from Beyond the Stars?
◾ Captain Glory -Kinda looks like DC's The Ray.
◾ Metal Master (Moyln) -Why is he talking like MM#1 is dead since he was just in Black Bolt's book?
◾ Blood Brothers -A BB did die. Not sure how he came back, though. wikia will probably say... If it is the same twin, they better have good reason to "pull an Atlantean" and go all tatts.
Quote: Overall I am really enjoying this ride so far and am curious to see where it will go but if Voyager's continuity sticks I am gone.
But hopefully not gone from AMB, right?
Quote: #avengerXneverforgotten )
Heh. The irony would be that it looks like Marvel has her sticking around. (ala Sage: early X-men retcon member)
I miss Dad & Dan.
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Subject: Re: JUST READ Avengers #676: Part 2... [Re: The Voice of Reason] Posted Sat Jan 20, 2018 at 03:50:33 pm EST (Viewed 312 times) |
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Quote: I too am really enjoying this ride so far. Here are some of my thoughts, apologies if they seem redundant with everyone else.
1) I think we are all pretty aware that this recon with Voyager is not going to stick, correct? I am interested to see where they are going with this and as many others have said the way they seamlessly included her into the Avengers past was pretty cool. My bet is that Voyager time traveling Valeria Richards.
Well, she was hyped by Marvel as being the next Sentry or Blue Marvel, and they stuck.
Quote: 3) Not a fan of the Black Order, was happy they were dead, hope they return to the grave very soon. Unsold on the new Lethal Legion, In fact, the members of both these teams look interchangeable and equally forgettable. But it's always fun to see the Blood Brothers (although I prefer their old look & was one of them dead?)
Blood Brothers are the ones I'm least interested in, and never found them interesting. But why are these looking so human? It's like they took anything that was remotely interesting about the Blood Brothers (there wasn't much) and infused it with boring.
Both died at least once. Drax killed one. The other was sent to the Raft and was later killed during the Black Vortex story. They both mysteriously returned during the Pleasant Hill story. Maybe Kobik created them? /shrug
Quote: Captain Glory (although the coolest looking member) is yet another example of Marvel's inability to leave things alone. Grant Morrison's Marvel Boy was a great, thoughtful story that should have been left where it was. But since Marvel Boy/Protector/the Inhuman Kid's arrival into the 616 he has floundered around and never really lived up to the character Morrison first created. Did they learn from that mistake? Of course not, they double down and now we have Capt. Glory. Ugh. Oh Marvel, will you ever learn?
Eh. What's another Kree...
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Subject: So which member of [SPOILER] is [SPOILER]? [Re: [PREVIEW]] Posted Sat Jan 20, 2018 at 11:38:40 pm EST (Viewed 350 times) |
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Which member of the JLA is Victory, who was added to the original Squadron Sinister (who modeled four members of JLA very closely)? Certainly none of the JLA that were members at the time of the original issue (cover-dated November 1969). I guess of later members, Firestorm ("the Nuclear Man") would be the most likely.
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Subject: Re: So which member of [SPOILER] is [SPOILER]? [Re: servo] Posted Sun Jan 21, 2018 at 08:51:08 am EST (Viewed 383 times) |
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Quote: Which member of the JLA is Victory, who was added to the original Squadron Sinister (who modeled four members of JLA very closely)? Certainly none of the JLA that were members at the time of the original issue (cover-dated November 1969). I guess of later members, Firestorm ("the Nuclear Man") would be the most likely.
Triumph?
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Well, she was hyped by Marvel as being the next Sentry or Blue Marvel, and they stuck.
Really? Ugh. Blue Marvel, I enjoy very much but I feel like Sentry is a symbol of everything wrong with Marvel for the last 15 years. What started off as a clever April Fools like hoax turned into an overpowering Frankenstein's monster, the ex machina for every situation. And this, in turn, led to a lot of crap coming out of the House of Ideas.
I hope Voyager and her newly revealed past is eventually replaced with the history we all know and love (mostly).
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Triumph?
LOL, that's great!
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Subject: Re: So which member of [SPOILER] is [SPOILER]? [Re: servo] Posted Sun Jan 21, 2018 at 12:11:25 pm EST (Viewed 304 times) |
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Nuke was Squadron Supreme's Firestorm.
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Subject: Re: So which member of [SPOILER] is [SPOILER]? [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Sun Jan 21, 2018 at 01:19:44 pm EST (Viewed 297 times) |
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Oh wow. I wonder if the writer was thinking of him. They do have similar costumes, powers, and Triumph was a retconned in Justice League founder I think.
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Subject: Re: So which member of [SPOILER] is [SPOILER]? [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Sun Jan 21, 2018 at 02:55:50 pm EST (Viewed 306 times) |
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And codenames are similar: Victory/Triumph.
Too many coincidences to not be planned, imo.
And he was created by Waid, as well.
OMG! Everything's connected!
Valerie Vector = Vicki Vale
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Subject: Synapse [Re: America's Captain] Posted Sun Jan 21, 2018 at 03:59:07 pm EST (Viewed 283 times) |
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Quote: Well, we can be sure some survived. Not necessarily all of them.
Quote: True. The most likely cannon fodder is Synapse, I think. Apparently she controls animals and is strong and fast. So why call her "Synapse"? Stupid name. Why give her a sci-fi costume? Stupid look. She's a Golden Age jungle vixen, or could be, except she's a teen. Stupid age.
They call her synapse because she controls and reads the electrical impulses of all typical brain functions. It boils down to just your garden variety telepathy, but the way they explained it was more neurological/biochemical. She's been able to boost immune systems, paralyze people, turn powers off, and yes, control animals (people are animals). She has difficulty with things that don't have biochemical brains. She's not particularly fast or strong.
She doesn't really have a scifi costume. It looks more ninja than anything, but it's a fairly typical superhero costume.
Golden Age? Jungle vixen? Huh? She's one of the NuHuman characters (humans that just learned they had the Inhuman gene after the Terrigen bomb). The bomb caused her grandfather to turn into some giant plant monster, and she's not too happy with Inhuman things because of that. Otherwise, she's just a normal Hispanic American girl.
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Subject: Re: Synapse [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Sun Jan 21, 2018 at 09:05:27 pm EST (Viewed 292 times) |
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They call her synapse because she controls and reads the electrical impulses of all typical brain functions. It boils down to just your garden variety telepathy, but the way they explained it was more neurological/biochemical. She's been able to boost immune systems, paralyze people, turn powers off, and yes, control animals (people are animals). She has difficulty with things that don't have biochemical brains. She's not particularly fast or strong.
I guess this is one of those instances when Wikipedia was unreliable. Here's what Wikipedia said:
"Emily Guerrero
"Synapse (Emily Guerrero) is a superhero in Marvel Comics. The character, created by Gerry Duggan and Ryan Stegman, appeared in Uncanny Avengers Vol. 3 #1 (December 2015).
"Emily Guerrero lived with her younger brother and grandfather, Ivan, when the Terrigen Cloud affected their area. Emily emerged with telepathy, animal control, enhanced speed and super strength. Later, she joined the Avengers Unity Division under Captain America's leadership. Despite being new, Steve Rogers had faith in her even though she and teammate Rogue did not get along very well. She fought Super Adaptoid by getting a flock of pigeons to take it out."
Quote: She doesn't really have a scifi costume. It looks more ninja than anything, but it's a fairly typical superhero costume.
Quote: Golden Age? Jungle vixen? Huh?
Assuming she had control of animals and enhanced strength and speed, she sounded like Super-Tarzan.
Quote: She's one of the NuHuman characters (humans that just learned they had the Inhuman gene after the Terrigen bomb). The bomb caused her grandfather to turn into some giant plant monster, and she's not too happy with Inhuman things because of that. Otherwise, she's just a normal Hispanic American girl.
Oh. She's Hispanic. Never mind. She will never die.
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Subject: Re: So which member of [SPOILER] is [SPOILER]? [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Sun Jan 21, 2018 at 10:12:09 pm EST (Viewed 307 times) |
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Quote: And codenames are similar: Victory/Triumph.
Quote: Too many coincidences to not be planned, imo.
Quote: And he was created by Waid, as well.
I'm sure you've nailed it. Really cool! You deserve to do a victory dance! Or a triumph tango.
Quote: OMG! Everything's connected!
Quote: Valerie Vector = Vicki Vale
Only if Tim Burton is directing.
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Subject: Re: So which member of [SPOILER] is [SPOILER]? [Re: America's Captain] Posted Mon Jan 22, 2018 at 10:59:41 am EST (Viewed 278 times) |
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Don't think that the similarity of the names Valerie Vector and Valentina Vostok haven't occurred to me. Two double Vs. Two Vals. Vostok means "East," and direction is part of a vector. Voyager doesn't strike me as Negative Woman though. Yet.
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Subject: Re: I Doubt It. [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Mon Jan 22, 2018 at 09:53:48 pm EST (Viewed 293 times) |
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Triumph isn't exactly a classic or well-known character. I'm sure that someone read that Grant Morrison run or issue, but this stuff happens in comics all the time (Maybe a little bit tooooo much.).
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Subject: Re: I Think That Christopher Priest Created Triumph. [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Mon Jan 22, 2018 at 09:54:28 pm EST (Viewed 259 times) |
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