Avengers (Vol. 8) #676

is she Valeria Richards from future

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Suggested same on Saturday:
http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2018011400202052

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Avengers 676: Part 2 of 16

• Enjoyable art even if Rogue's hair is superpoofy.

• Effectively teased mystery malady making Jarvis' recovery questionable.

• So, does UNAFFILIATED a grouping of Reserve (Lightning) and Inactive/Dead (Voyager)? And after last issue's big reintro - did Miguel Santos even cameo in this meeting?!

• Nice to get big group gathering scenes. This may be the first one of ALL published Avengers since INCURSION?! Unforgivable, Marvel.

• So, thaaaaat's Voyager's ORIGIN. The phony flashbacks fit in seamlessly. Hmm, does that mean the KOOKY QUARTET are remembered as the KOOKY QUINTET? And of course Avenger X is completely ignored here. This is truly remembered by all as surely as Sentry's existence was truly forgotten. (Let's hope she ain't a Legacy version of him. Already regretting mentioning it.)

• Cap didn't feel the need to Assemble! Or maybe he is en route with slow motorcycle? Hmm...

• Intro: VICTORY The Electromagnetic Man! Hmm...

• Wow. Those 3 'leaders' do not mesh well at all. THIS team really should agree on one.

• Glimpse of some of the FROZEN heroes is better than nothing. But not by much. Also, the fact that some are gathered offers minimal exposition on that plot device crisis. Ditto the techommunitions and magicky sitch it mentioned. But the parameters of this crisis needs A LOT more exposition detail ASAP to make the story work better. NZo room this chapter for other superhumans of Earth to cameo either was a bit disappointing.

• Intro: An ALL-NEW LETHAL LEGION. Hmm... They look formidable. A bunch of character bits thrown in for fun fan speculating.

• Return of THE BLACK ORDER. Uhm, isn't someone supposed to be dead there? Or is it a Universe 8 resurrection thing going on or new version or something else? Wasn't there discontent among some of them too, after INFINITY?

• Looks like they got a Cosmic Chess Match going on. Probably the 2 Elders brothers, eh? They have an opening scuffle to give readers some showings indication of their powers.

• Sometimes Falcon's power is presented supercrazy levels but here it is downplayed to more limited usefulness. Missed opp for Redwing to spotlight again to have him specifically detect the floaters. On the plus side it is the ONLY showing of any kind readers get of the good guys. Sheesh, their combined powers couldn't even detect 2 supervillains overhead!!??

• Trope cliffhanger. There goes another Mansion. Probably no one is worried at all with Wanda and Voodoo there to pull off a giant shield, eh? Or maybe Voyager will surprise us.

• Clearly this will be 16 parts at this pace. Still liked it well enough for now, though.

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Voyager reminds me of that plot in Rick and Morty where alien parasites infect Morty's family and appear to the family as new characters they have always known all along and everyone has nothing but positive memories of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gKZ_MXvZH4

Ridiculous to even mention it, I know, but the two female characters in this story who have white hair are Rogue and... Voyager.




So do we think Jarvis is in the hospital? Or did Wasp and Beast abscond with him to some secret lab? I'm guessing the hospital but if so, why are they in the room by themselves with no other doctors or nurses? Because the regular staff are so busy that Wasp and Beast could just walk in and take over a room with no one challenging them? So weird.




I'm not sure what you're asking, but Lightning and Voyager weren't on any of the other teams so they're unaffiliated. And including Jarvis at all is kind of sweet, I think.




He said, "Yeah, you're a lot better known than I am. After all, you helped start the team..."




Cool to see it.




I wouldn't use that word since we don't really know her powers (something about space/time and portals) and, whatever they are, we don't know how she got them.

Incidentally, whatever powers Voyager might have - Rogue could have them too if she absorbed them from somebody.

Obviously Voyager is a future Rogue. I mean, come on. Either a future Rogue or a future Thundra after the High Evolutionary got through with her.




Yes they did. The amazing thing is that Quicksilver actually likes somebody.

Love that pic of the Vision by John Buscema. Man, do I miss them both.




Undoubtedly. But I wonder how powerful Voyager is. If she's a blockbuster, then the Kooky Quintet was a very different proposition from the Kooky Quartet. Also, Captain America is diminished by this retcon. After all, this very era of the Avengers is what made him the unquestioned leader in any scenario. The "A" on his forehead could practically stand for "Avenger" first and foremost because of this very era. That effect must surely be diluted in this retconned reality.

Hmm. "A" on Cap's head. "V" on Voyager's belt. A-V-engers. I bet they were a romantic couple. Mom and Dad of the Avengers. They certainly seem to be standing pretty close to one another.




I have no idea who that is and maybe I don't want to know. Do I want to know?




I have removed your comment from the space/time continuum with my godlike Maintainer powers.




Or maybe he isn't sure he'd be welcomed by his ex? I'm telling you, man, Cap and Voyager were an item. But it didn't end well. She wanted to rename the team "The Vengeful" so it would match her belt, but Cap was having none of that.




An electromagnetic field gives him mastery of reality itself. Not sure I get that. But it's comic book science so why am I even questioning it?

Nevertheless, pretty much everything is an electromagnetic field ensconced in space/time so Victory and Voyager ("V" and "V") put together would indeed seem to equal some sort of totality.




Which I think was about to happen. Voyager was in the process of taking control. Which is good if she's good and sinister if she's sinister.




We're learning things as the Avengers learn them. Seems pretty natural and organic to me.







All of the characters are brand new to me, even the ones who aren't actually brand new, except for the Blood Brothers, whom I know from the original Thanos epic back in the Bronze Age. Therefore I love the "Assembly" page at the end of the comic.




This does seem like another instance of the type of scenario where Voyager met her demise.




Most of the good guys don't have information powers. AIM was doing its best but was a little behind the eight ball. I have to admit, though, Doctor Voodoo was nowhere near as helpful as Doctor Strange would likely have been.

More to the point, though, in my opinion, is the fact that the Avengers made the assumption they had the luxury of time to map out a strategy before an attack came. I would hope Steve Rogers would be smarter than that, but he wasn't there. Sam was there, however, and he didn't, in my opinion, employ the sort of tactical thinking he surely must have learned from Steve Rogers. The first thing they should have done was find some way to post sentries. The Human Torch and Cannonball flying around outside would have been better than nothing.




We can be sure the Avengers survived. The mansion is toast, though. Which, frankly, seems fine to me. I always loved the mansion, but still, if we're being realistic, the mansion should never have lasted weeks, let alone years. It's just a house, for crying out loud. Almost anybody who can fight the Avengers can obliterate a house.




Totally enjoying it. This is a really fun comic.

So? ...oooh lower down you think they might be the saaame. Hmm... (Rogue develop a taste for alliteration and changed her name?)



Seemed like regular hospital where they employed Avengers priority priviledges to secure a room and Beast jury rigged the tech to be better. (Selfishly just because he thought Jarvis alone was worth it? On the other hand maybe he'll let the hospital keep the upgrade.)



Just inferred they are 'some kind' of member by the term 'Unaffiliated'. Since Santos showed up in response to Identicard summons. And Valerie Vector actual was authorized to make that summons. Plus they were immediately accepted back in the ranks.



D'oh! Of course you're right.



Hmm... Ravonna could be from future too.



Heh. He liked Finesse. That was a nice friendship.



Who's gonna argue!



Cap already has a future wife and Avengers Next kid doesn't he? He might be more of a "One What If Man - Woman". Besides, who wants another Sentry/Crystal retcon fling?




Retconned member confirmed. Circa Kooky Quartet. *BOOOOO HISSSSS*







Matchmaker, Matchmaker...



Hmm...



It's a fun story element not knowing yet which side of the fence she is on. In spite of how things look in some eyes.



Well, its unfolding much more engaging than a Champions story of late. Still a bit wanting in places, imo.



Yeah, that Blood Brothers redesign is gonna need some Lucy Splainin' too. Assuming it's the same 2.



Hmm... Maybe Voodoo is a little jealous that Wanda was upset about the Synthezoid when they could be holding hands in front of everyone instead? *cue Fiddler on the Roof*



But we just got it back! Johnny did a mature decent thing to get it! Well, at least this is another way to bring in the GLA if they offer up their HQ.



So far, so good. More or less.

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(I'm not replying to anything else for the simple reason that I agree with everything you said.)




One glance from the Vision - if there was real love in it - and Wanda would forget who Doctor Voodoo even was.

The android's eyes meet hers.

Voodoo: "I must say, Wanda, this has been some day so far."

Wanda:

Voodoo: "Earth stolen. Superbeings frozen. Voyager returned. The mansion destroyed."

Wanda:

Voodoo: "I think you and I must pool our resources and strive to be of greater assistance than we have been thus far."

Wanda:

Voodoo: "Wanda? Are you listening to me? WANDA!"

Wanda: "Oh, I'm sorry, I was distracted. I think I'll call it a night. See you in the morning."

Voodoo: "Wanda! Are you all right? What's wrong?"

Wanda:

The sorceress turns away without a word, a bemused expression on her face.

The android sits in silence.

FEH! Her has has been more superawesome before.
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More than a cameo. He talks a bit. He's the other non-constumed brown guy at the meeting, wearing a suit jacket with no tie.



I'm not sure whether to be impressed with the scalpel use of inserting her into continuity or just infuriated by it.



All very cool looking. I hope they do more than look good.



Proxima just died in the Unworthy Thor mini.
Corvus just died in Thanos.
Supergiant seemed to die during Infinity, but apparently, she's some kind of spirit or something.
Black Dwarf was killed by Ronan during Infinity.



I could see being technologically blind on a global scale, but surely NYC's own cameras plus any special Avengers cameras/detection tech would see this coming.

Very OMG moment, but at the same time, very, very lame.

OMG! It's so clear now! Voyager is the unknown daughter of Rogue and Sentry who was sent into the past to form the Avengers.

Okay. Someone delete this before Marvel gets any ideas.









This is why I teeter on "infuriating." The Kooky Quartet loses all of its charm with her around. I think it might have been better to have her killed in Avengers first mission, but they're probably tying this story into the one in Avengers v1 #70.






Recently retconned character just last year (see the start of the last Avengers series and Point One issues). She had this great power, but to fuel it, she had to kill people. Her retconned history is that she was an early Avengers recruit gone bad and kept secret. And this is the other reason I teeter on infuriation-- Marvel needs to stop building stories on retcons.






Cap is frozen. We saw him in Washington DC last issue.






Well, we can be sure some survived. Not necessarily all of them.

Okay, but Art Adams can make anyone look good. Also, generally try to block out the Australian X-men days.
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Well, it can't be that bad... presuming it won't stick like Sentry's retconning did. Or the BND deal that merely changed that one instance of canon.



Agreed.



Ahh. Recalled at least one of those. Thanks. This demands more Lucy Splainin' ASAP in the story too - unless it's just part of the Voyager Rewrite.



Or even people on the street shouting. Hellooo, Synapse? And the satellite bouncing problem better not be soley an energy issue 'cuz they got Lightning and Mjolnir right in the room.



Yup. Same as last ish. OMG outweighing lame, ATM...

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I'm glad they're back and I hope they survive these 16 weekly issues. The Avengers need some good bad teams to recurringly tussle with.

The fact that three of them were dead and aren't spirit beings could be another signal (if we needed one) that all is not what it seems.

By the Zatanna-like powers vested in me as a Maintainer - daerht siht ees reven llahs Levram.




I agree the Kooky Quartet loses its charm. But I don't expect Voyager to survive these 16 issues in the form we now know her. She either doesn't exist at all or she's some disgusting monster like Nebulon as the Reverend suggested.

On the other hand, I find I really like the prospect of the cosmic chess players being Franklin and Valeria. So no, Voyager wouldn't be Valeria, exactly. She would be an idealized version of Valeria dreamed up by Franklin.

Reed and Sue are going to be really angry.

But the Kooky Quartet will emerge unscathed from these 16 issues. I'm sure of it.




Party poop.

I considered double-checking but it was more fun to just run with Emerick Man's underlying assumption. In the end, I'd rather have fun than be right.




True. The most likely cannon fodder is Synapse, I think. Apparently she controls animals and is strong and fast. So why call her "Synapse"? Stupid name. Why give her a sci-fi costume? Stupid look. She's a Golden Age jungle vixen, or could be, except she's a teen. Stupid age.

Synapse is toast.

Aww... that's kind of the last time X-Men were truly brilliant to me. Anyway...



Well, at least a character didn't have to become a creep for this to work.
.......Yet.



As far as we know, Avengers #71-676 happened as we know them.



The world was already in such chaos at this point, I'm not sure she would notice, or maybe she had to block out all of the fuss.

Would Marvel NYers even bat an eye to another supervillain?

"Galactus visited again, and Wall Street rallied. News at 11."

I too am really enjoying this ride so far. Here are some of my thoughts, apologies if they seem redundant with everyone else.

1) I think we are all pretty aware that this recon with Voyager is not going to stick, correct? I am interested to see where they are going with this and as many others have said the way they seamlessly included her into the Avengers past was pretty cool. My bet is that Voyager time traveling Valeria Richards.

2)I agree that no one in that mansion was aware of the pending attack is just plain silly.

3) Not a fan of the Black Order, was happy they were dead, hope they return to the grave very soon. Unsold on the new Lethal Legion, In fact, the members of both these teams look interchangeable and equally forgettable. But it's always fun to see the Blood Brothers (although I prefer their old look & was one of them dead?)

Captain Glory (although the coolest looking member) is yet another example of Marvel's inability to leave things alone. Grant Morrison's Marvel Boy was a great, thoughtful story that should have been left where it was. But since Marvel Boy/Protector/the Inhuman Kid's arrival into the 616 he has floundered around and never really lived up to the character Morrison first created. Did they learn from that mistake? Of course not, they double down and now we have Capt. Glory. Ugh. Oh Marvel, will you ever learn?

Overall I am really enjoying this ride so far and am curious to see where it will go but if Voyager's continuity sticks I am gone.

#avengerXneverforgotten

Good stuff.



Good guess as any. In lieu of preview, ATM, rereading the solicits for clues again...
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=avengers-2018011700225694



Noh Varr is getting way convoluted and should probably be killed off. Then Marvel can start playing up Mel-Varr Kid Kree more.

Black Order
◾ Corvus Glaive -That's the best of that bunch (ie. made leader again)?!
◾ Black Dwarf -Hmm...
◾ Supergiant -That's a psychic projection?!
◾ Proxima Midnight -Badass, takes out Mansion by her spear alone?!
◾ Ebony Maw -Hmm...
◾ Black Swan (Yabbat Ummon Turru) -That's her real name?!

Lethal Legion II
◾ Ferene -Hmm...
◾ Mentacle -Cool blended name. Avengers are pathetically psi-challenged so he could be trouble.
◾ Drall -Nice trash talking. "From Beyond the Stars" as in Mangog from Beyond the Stars?
◾ Captain Glory -Kinda looks like DC's The Ray.
◾ Metal Master (Moyln) -Why is he talking like MM#1 is dead since he was just in Black Bolt's book?
◾ Blood Brothers -A BB did die. Not sure how he came back, though. wikia will probably say... If it is the same twin, they better have good reason to "pull an Atlantean" and go all tatts.



But hopefully not gone from AMB, right?



Heh. The irony would be that it looks like Marvel has her sticking around. (ala Sage: early X-men retcon member)

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Well, she was hyped by Marvel as being the next Sentry or Blue Marvel, and they stuck.



Blood Brothers are the ones I'm least interested in, and never found them interesting. But why are these looking so human? It's like they took anything that was remotely interesting about the Blood Brothers (there wasn't much) and infused it with boring.

Both died at least once. Drax killed one. The other was sent to the Raft and was later killed during the Black Vortex story. They both mysteriously returned during the Pleasant Hill story. Maybe Kobik created them? /shrug



Eh. What's another Kree...

Well, she was hyped by Marvel as being the next Sentry or Blue Marvel, and they stuck.