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Interesting to note, for those unaware, that the official[?] Marvel wikia site has been updated to included VOYAGER as a "documented" founding member as of now:
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Avengers_members

Also, does anyone have comment or answer to any of these questions that present themselves from that webpage:

Alaska/USA recognizes the "Ultronic Territories"?!

"Avengers Unity Division" skill acknowledged in spite of being officially disbanded? Ditto USAvengers?

Avenger X is trapped in Microverse - did we see her "banishment" destination? Also, why is she not given the same NOT A MEMBER retroactive addendum that Ravonna/Nebula gets?

Ultimates are still active. Does/shouldn't that membership preclude Avengers authorization protocols or not? We still don't know for sure. They are conspicuously/offputtinglly not even mentioned yet in NO SURRENDER Event.

Hellcat has been noted as having had full membership status in past stories, has she not? And as recently as her last cancelled series?

MUST. READ. MARVELS PROJECT #1. How did Two-Gun die?? It was a surprise he ended up in Hell, in Falcon #4, right?

Wasn't Simon given membership in his intro issue before he went into his coma and should be noted as such - just like other villains are listed when they were inducted?

It is a relief if it is now acknowledge that Mar-Vell was NEVER given any kind of official status in-story of any back issue, afaik.

Was Alex Porcupine Gentry given any official honorary status akin to Moira Brandon in that ish where Cap said he'd honor him and put his armor in the HQ display case?

Moon Knight is listed as "ACTIVE BUT NOT PART OF ANY TEAM". Interesting in itself but also curious why so many other entries don't note the same - implies they are NOT active as is unfairly implied by writers as weak plot device.

Voyager is updated - aaaaand yet Lightning is NOT updated entry yet.

Did the Mercs for the Money disband or not?

"Battleworld" should be called Battlerealm. Also Dr.Druid should be listed at least as "membership under review".

Ditto - Scott Lang should be listed at least as fugitive and/or "membership under review".

D-Man is coma-dead at best.

Stingray got booted from Mercs, eh?

Bring back Deathcry!

Masque was a bio-duplicate to be specific.

What issue did Delroy officially switch to 3-D Man codename?

Luke Cage should be on Defenders. Or at least H4H again. C'mon, updaters? At least do the obvious ones when you log in.

Logan is metal poisoned dead. Or rumored to be roaming the globe now.

Sentry was resurrected by Dr.Strange or the Apoc Twins?

Remind me why Iron Lad destroyed Jonas?

How can Cho be active if HE QUIT??

Please confirm Flux was only given Honorary Membership in-story asap. Ditto Aman. And any exclusive Secret Avenger. Valkyrie ACTIVE but Venom HONORARY is contradictory!

Clarify Carter and Hill's designation. And why isn't Hand on the list with them?

"Current whereabouts and activities unknown." Frustrating. At least state "presumed" status. Also the author[s] of this page must have "last seen" info to share. SERIOUSLY and in the tone of a broken record playing, there should be a separate column with the CURRENT AVENGERS MEMBERSHIP STATUS - even if it is listed as presumed.

What other danglers should be noted??

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It's not really official. It's just fan-created and edited. Marvel.com has it's own Wiki that's more "official," but nowhere near as good.


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    Also, does anyone have comment or answer to any of these questions that present themselves from that webpage:



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    Alaska/USA recognizes the "Ultronic Territories"?!

I'm quite sure they recognize it against their will. It's a holdover from Secret Empire, of course.


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    "Avengers Unity Division" skill acknowledged in spite of being officially disbanded? Ditto USAvengers?




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    Avenger X is trapped in Microverse - did we see her "banishment" destination? Also, why is she not given the same NOT A MEMBER retroactive addendum that Ravonna/Nebula gets?

Dunno. We saw her banished in Avengers v7 #8. Janet left her behind in the microverse.


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    Ultimates are still active. Does/shouldn't that membership preclude Avengers authorization protocols or not? We still don't know for sure. They are conspicuously/offputtinglly not even mentioned yet in NO SURRENDER Event.

Is it legal for them to be active? Do they care?


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    MUST. READ. MARVELS PROJECT #1. How did Two-Gun die?? It was a surprise he ended up in Hell, in Falcon #4, right?

The implication has always been that at some point in the future he goes back to the 19th century and dies. He is still around now. Or should be.


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    Wasn't Simon given membership in his intro issue before he went into his coma and should be noted as such - just like other villains are listed when they were inducted?

Simon wasn't given probationary membership until Avengers #150-something, and he became a full member around #200.


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    It is a relief if it is now acknowledge that Mar-Vell was NEVER given any kind of official status in-story of any back issue, afaik.

His status was given posthumously. Before he died, he was just a good friend... and the Rick connection.


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    Was Alex Porcupine Gentry given any official honorary status akin to Moira Brandon in that ish where Cap said he'd honor him and put his armor in the HQ display case?

Nothing besides the display, afaik.


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    Moon Knight is listed as "ACTIVE BUT NOT PART OF ANY TEAM". Interesting in itself but also curious why so many other entries don't note the same - implies they are NOT active as is unfairly implied by writers as weak plot device.




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    Voyager is updated - aaaaand yet Lightning is NOT updated entry yet.



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    Did the Mercs for the Money disband or not?

How many people really care since they split from Deadpool? \:D


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    "Battleworld" should be called Battlerealm. Also Dr.Druid should be listed at least as "membership under review".



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    Ditto - Scott Lang should be listed at least as fugitive and/or "membership under review".



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    D-Man is coma-dead at best.

Coma when?


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    What issue did Delroy officially switch to 3-D Man codename?

Back during the Initiative, when he was on Hawaii's team.


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    Logan is metal poisoned dead. Or rumored to be roaming the globe now.

It's not a rumour. We've seen him, and he has an Infinity Gem. Only Jean Grey knows he's alive, I think, but something like the Wiki should reflect it.


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    Sentry was resurrected by Dr.Strange or the Apoc Twins?

Apoc Twins. After that, he went to space to meditate. That's where Strange woke him up.


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    Remind me why Iron Lad destroyed Jonas?

At the end of Children's Crusade, he was mad because Stature died and no one was going to mess with time to reverse it, so he killed Jonas.


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    Clarify Carter and Hill's designation. And why isn't Hand on the list with them?

Should definitely be.


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emerick man 

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> It's not really official. It's just fan-created and edited.
Fair enough. It's usually quite good with being up to date and this page was not up to its usual high standards, imo, and it was very disappointing to see considering the Voyager entry and Avenger-X entries were done near to yesterday. Felt like speaking out about it.

> Marvel.com has it's own Wiki that's more "official," but nowhere near as good.
That's comparitively true to some uncertain degree. And it also loads much slower than wikia it seems. The benefit of Marvel.com is the probability it offers closer to 100% accuracy guarantee - being written by Marvel paid writer, afaik or suspect.

> I'm quite sure they recognize it against their will. It's a holdover from Secret Empire, of course.
That's probably true. And just more post-S.E. coverage neglect by Marvel for canonoholics to stew about. Especially for Avengers fans.

> Dunno. We saw her banished in Avengers v7 #8. Janet left her behind in the microverse.

> Is it legal for them to be active? Do they care?
Broken record time: The readers should know by now. And know why writers aren't made to be on the same page about this consistency. It would be so easy to have an official "RESERVE LIST" that may or may not appear in the main book but writers can still have their field days properly putting them in Avengers related plot pitches in other books.

> The implication has always been that at some point in the future he goes back to the 19th century and dies. He is still around now. Or should be.
Hmm...

> Simon wasn't given probationary membership until Avengers #150-something, and he became a full member around #200.
Wasn't there some books or handbooks that argued or inferred that he was a 'provisional' or 'probationary' member for at least a day or two - between panels?

> [Mar-Vell's] status was given posthumously. Before he died, he was just a good friend... and the Rick connection.
Still don't recall him ever being granted the status posthumously IN-STORY. Haven't found it yet. The 'confirmations' in the OHOTMU shouldn't really stand alone as precidential proof in this case. Could be my fault for missing it, though, 'cuz never realized the GotG got in-story confirmation of membership until 3 decades after the fact.
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=avengers-2015062202295741

> Nothing besides the [Porcupine] display, afaik.
Guess'll dig out that ish for the exact wording eventually.

> How many people really care since they split from Deadpool? \:D
It would be good to find out what became of Stingray and his mole mission aftermath. And x-51 is one of my faves who is always just an underdog character tossed from book to non-Avenger book -adding entertainment factor to the title but nearly never allowing him to achieve the supercomputer capability he should be generating.

> Coma when?
D'oh! Right. D-man mysteriously was reborn after the Retcon Incursion (to fill Marvel's LGBTQ quota).

> Back during the Initiative, when [Delroy] was on Hawaii's team.
Thx.

> It's not a rumour. We've seen him, and he has an Infinity Gem. Only Jean Grey knows he's alive, I think, but something like the Wiki should reflect it.
Knew that. At least 3 other books he's been sighted cross globe too. Just feel that his update posting was lacking for not stating either death or rumor(from MU POV).

> Apoc Twins. After that, he went to space to meditate. That's where Strange woke him up.
Hmm... You're interpretting Doc's wording as waking him up from meditation.

> At the end of Children's Crusade, he was mad because Stature died and no one was going to mess with time to reverse it, so he killed Jonas.


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    > It's not really official. It's just fan-created and edited.
    Fair enough. It's usually quite good with being up to date and this page was not up to its usual high standards, imo, and it was very disappointing to see considering the Voyager entry and Avenger-X entries were done near to yesterday. Felt like speaking out about it.



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    > Marvel.com has it's own Wiki that's more "official," but nowhere near as good.
    That's comparitively true to some uncertain degree. And it also loads much slower than wikia it seems. The benefit of Marvel.com is the probability it offers closer to 100% accuracy guarantee - being written by Marvel paid writer, afaik or suspect.

I don't even think measures up in accuracy. Fans know more about this stuff than anyone at the company.


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    > I'm quite sure they recognize it against their will. It's a holdover from Secret Empire, of course.
    That's probably true. And just more post-S.E. coverage neglect by Marvel for canonoholics to stew about. Especially for Avengers fans.



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    > Dunno. We saw her banished in Avengers v7 #8. Janet left her behind in the microverse.



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    > Is it legal for them to be active? Do they care?
    Broken record time: The readers should know by now. And know why writers aren't made to be on the same page about this consistency. It would be so easy to have an official "RESERVE LIST" that may or may not appear in the main book but writers can still have their field days properly putting them in Avengers related plot pitches in other books.



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    > The implication has always been that at some point in the future he goes back to the 19th century and dies. He is still around now. Or should be.
    Hmm...



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    > Simon wasn't given probationary membership until Avengers #150-something, and he became a full member around #200.
    Wasn't there some books or handbooks that argued or inferred that he was a 'provisional' or 'probationary' member for at least a day or two - between panels?

That's what I just wrote. Before #158 he wasn't even around to be any sort of member. This is why the Handbooks always place his membership between Falcon and Tigra.


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    > [Mar-Vell's] status was given posthumously. Before he died, he was just a good friend... and the Rick connection.
    Still don't recall him ever being granted the status posthumously IN-STORY. Haven't found it yet. The 'confirmations' in the OHOTMU shouldn't really stand alone as precidential proof in this case. Could be my fault for missing it, though, 'cuz never realized the GotG got in-story confirmation of membership until 3 decades after the fact.
    https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=avengers-2015062202295741

No, you're right about this. The status came from the Handbooks.


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    > How many people really care since they split from Deadpool? \:D
    It would be good to find out what became of Stingray and his mole mission aftermath. And x-51 is one of my faves who is always just an underdog character tossed from book to non-Avenger book -adding entertainment factor to the title but nearly never allowing him to achieve the supercomputer capability he should be generating.

Well, his mission sort of ended when the team split from Deadpool.


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    > Coma when?
    D'oh! Right. D-man mysteriously was reborn after the Retcon Incursion (to fill Marvel's LGBTQ quota).

He was accidentally resurrected by a kid just before the Final Incursion in Secret Wars Too.


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    > It's not a rumour. We've seen him, and he has an Infinity Gem. Only Jean Grey knows he's alive, I think, but something like the Wiki should reflect it.
    Knew that. At least 3 other books he's been sighted cross globe too. Just feel that his update posting was lacking for not stating either death or rumor(from MU POV).

Definitely agreed.


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    > Apoc Twins. After that, he went to space to meditate. That's where Strange woke him up.
    Hmm... You're interpretting Doc's wording as waking him up from meditation.

That's all it was.


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