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Subject: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... Posted Wed Feb 14, 2018 at 01:00:56 pm EST (Viewed 518 times) |
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Avengers 680
It's good... buuut, wow, this arbitrary player substitution is crazy contrivance. And Simon leaving mid-battle for personal reason/decision and coincidentally is perfect guinea pig to try and help Jarvis' still strange condition is crazy contrivance. And Voyagers on again off again rest again -power capability reset each issue- is crazy contrivance. The cover felt generic poser compared to the last issue one. The repeated vague and clueless epilogue page (with APPARENTLY The Hulk returning) was just a repeat of last ish. The bonus page theme of all MU title with Real Logan returning, post-Legacy, was just another (APPARENTLY purposed) random globetrotting sighting for no rhyme or reason.
All that was definitely OFFPUTTING stuff. Now, here's the good stuff:
-the annoying poser-ish cover was beautiful
-the inside art was okay
-whole issue narration from Rogue's POV was engaging and relatable
-Herc says Voyager's first name for the first time "VALERIE", afaik
-game rules and endgame are still vague but everything is on the fly and the global parameters grow which tempers this frustration some
-Berto can shower in 2 minutes - [sarcasm]good to know the crisis isn't to intrusive to daily routine  [/sarcasm]
-Rulk has good 'tude about never giving up
-nb. "USAvengers" still use/have a "AIM Quinjet" [Hmm...]
-Voodoo has determined the player switchouts is a SPELL OF BODILY SUBSTITUTIONS [Hmm...]
-Vooddo is given agreeable limitation to his teleporting scope [precidence that is often conveniently ignored story to story]
-Jan was switched in when Torch 'died' is explained [and yet why did the foe that claim a prize not replaced? eh? eh?]
-interesting, if contrived, new power evolution for Simon -maybe somewhat unneeded upgrade- and yet oddly it fails... interesting but weird to see [This new siphon power will come in handy against any Hulk or Spectrum.]
-the Big Fight this chapter was much better to read. It's good how they focussed on one Avengers with significant poser panels of the other match ups. Either the Avengers pawned or the Black Order jobbed but it's good to see Earth's Mightiest score a win finally.
-Ferene is given a character layer, not much but in lieu of any other foe getting any. It would've been nice to see what memories Rogue got from Corvus but that will logicall come next ish
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... [Re: emerick man] Posted Wed Feb 14, 2018 at 04:25:36 pm EST (Viewed 435 times) |
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Quote: It's good... buuut, wow, this arbitrary player substitution is crazy contrivance. And Simon leaving mid-battle for personal reason/decision and coincidentally is perfect guinea pig to try and help Jarvis' still strange condition is crazy contrivance.
I took it to mean that Simon could get to the battle just as fast without the jet while still stopping off for a few. It's already established that he's faster than just about any jets, so this isn't new.
Of course, the post-Siege Quinjet had wormhole tech, but I don't think that's the case anymore.
Quote: The repeated vague and clueless epilogue page (with APPARENTLY The Hulk returning) was just a repeat of last ish. The bonus page theme of all MU title with Real Logan returning, post-Legacy, was just another (APPARENTLY purposed) random globetrotting sighting for no rhyme or reason.
Glad they got the right state this time.
Quote: All that was definitely OFFPUTTING stuff. Now, here's the good stuff:
Quote: -the annoying poser-ish cover was beautiful
-the inside art was okay
I thought the inner art was gorgeous.
Quote: -whole issue narration from Rogue's POV was engaging and relatable
Yeah, though I found it to be a bit overstated.
Quote: -Herc says Voyager's first name for the first time "VALERIE", afaik
Avengers #676 gave her name in narration (from Sam's POV), and Wanda called her "Val" immediately.
Quote: -Jan was switched in when Torch 'died' is explained [and yet why did the foe that claim a prize not replaced? eh? eh?]
-interesting, if contrived, new power evolution for Simon -maybe somewhat unneeded upgrade- and yet oddly it fails... interesting but weird to see [This new siphon power will come in handy against any Hulk or Spectrum.]
Don't think it was anything new for his powers.
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 06:22:10 am EST (Viewed 398 times) |
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I believe it was new for Wonderman to siphon off radiation, he seemed surprised by it. Seems he's going to get physical again when confronting the enemy (as he did against Hydra).
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... [Re: emerick man] Posted Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:00:14 pm EST (Viewed 409 times) |
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Quote: And Voyagers on again off again rest again -power capability reset each issue- is crazy contrivance.
Vector's teleporting, contrivance or not, is boring. She needs other abilities and almost certainly has them - so let's see them.
Quote: The bonus page theme of all MU title with Real Logan returning, post-Legacy, was just another (APPARENTLY purposed) random globetrotting sighting for no rhyme or reason.
While not exciting it was at least informative - for me, any way. I didn't know Logan was on Earth and certainly didn't know he was in Peru. Plus we now know he's in stasis.
Quote: -Rulk has good 'tude about never giving up
I can't decide what I think about Rulk.
Quote: -Voodoo has determined the player switchouts is a SPELL OF BODILY SUBSTITUTIONS
No, the spell of bodily substitution is how he got himself and his colleagues to the battlefield, and Rulk back to base.
Too much of this comic (every issue so far) is dedicated to moving from place to place. Boring.
I found it very difficult to recognize Roberto. In fact I don't actually recognize him. I infer the character next to the Scarlet Witch must be him.
Quote: Jan was switched in when Torch 'died' is explained [and yet why did the foe that claim a prize not replaced? eh? eh?
Good question. As for Jan, her appearance this issue was boring. She was in stasis and now she's not.
Quote: -interesting, if contrived, new power evolution for Simon -maybe somewhat unneeded upgrade- and yet oddly it fails... interesting but weird to see [This new siphon power will come in handy against any Hulk or Spectrum.]
Too much pseudo-science for my taste.
The most fun in this issue was seeing bad guys randomly taken out by Mjolnir! It actually made me laugh!
So the Lethal Legion got the Pyramoid. This would mean more to me if I could figure out why I should care which team wins.
I enjoyed seeing the Beast give Wonder Man a hug. I just wish Wonder Man showed more emotion, but OK, he must surely be all depressed because (as far as he knows) Johnny died.
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... [Re: America's Captain] Posted Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 04:20:07 pm EST (Viewed 412 times) |
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Quote: So the Lethal Legion got the Pyramoid. This would mean more to me if I could figure out why I should care which team wins.
Indeed.
Quote: I enjoyed seeing the Beast give Wonder Man a hug. I just wish Wonder Man showed more emotion, but OK, he must surely be all depressed because (as far as he knows) Johnny died.
I think he was more concerned about Jarvis. I don't think he's close enough to Johnny to get depressed over it.
Come to think of it... Simon's just been rather depressed for the past 10 years or so.
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... (edit) [Re: America's Captain] Posted Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 04:50:07 pm EST (Viewed 401 times) |
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Quote: Vector's teleporting, contrivance or not, is boring. She needs other abilities and almost certainly has them - so let's see them.
A female Manifold. Maybe it's better to keep it simple given how contrived her insertion is. No need for upgrades already but that doesn't mean her 'voyaging' can be made more interesting. Maybe she can go places that Manifold can't. We know she has the PORTAL FIELD but also she has an ENERGO FIELD which gives her mastery over reality *rolls eyes* which sooounds formidable.
Quote: While not exciting it was at least informative - for me, any way. I didn't know Logan was on Earth and certainly didn't know he was in Peru. Plus we now know he's in stasis.
He was just in London in ASM (attached) and another one can't think of OTTOMH since he was seen in Legacy #1.
Quote: No, the spell of bodily substitution is how he got himself and his colleagues to the battlefield, and Rulk back to base.
You're right. My bad. Kind of weird that he knew to switch with Rulk without somesort targetting explanation - other than "It's magic". Maybe Wanda augured it. Hmm... why not switch places with a foe and have him pop up in a cell?
Quote: Too much of this comic (every issue so far) is dedicated to moving from place to place. Boring.
The story is starting to trip over itself.
Quote: I found it very difficult to recognize Roberto. In fact I don't actually recognize him. I infer the character next to the Scarlet Witch must be him.
And where is his metal band he needs on his forehead?
Quote: So the Lethal Legion got the Pyramoid.
It seems imminent. Hasn't exactly happened - similar to but more underwhelming than the Pietro get pulverized and Torch gets fried cliffhanger teases.
Quote: This would mean more to me if I could figure out why I should care which team wins.
Exactly!
Quote: I enjoyed seeing the Beast give Wonder Man a hug. I just wish Wonder Man showed more emotion, but OK, he must surely be all depressed because (as far as he knows) Johnny died.
It bothered me how forced and unlikely that scene happens which by extension ruined the feelgood hugunion (which they already did anyways a couple issues ago).
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[EDIT: Cap! Captain America 697. The other book that Real Logan shows up for an eplilogue cameo is that. Somewhere in Mid-town USA.]
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:23:21 pm EST (Viewed 360 times) |
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Quote: Come to think of it... Simon's just been rather depressed for the past 10 years or so.
Hasn't he always been a bit morose?
His abusive brother, his dad dying, embezzling from the family company that he drove into the ground, becoming a pawn of Heinrich, dying and coming back repeatedly, not being really human anymore, mooning for his best friend's wife, a crappy acting career. And he couldn't even kill himself if he tried.
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:03:55 am EST (Viewed 373 times) |
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I thought he was pretty awesome until Wanda brought him back that last time.
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:11:59 am EST (Viewed 377 times) |
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Quote: I thought he was pretty awesome until Wanda brought him back that last time.
You mean he was awesome while dead?
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... (edit) [Re: emerick man] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:25:06 am EST (Viewed 384 times) |
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Quote: While not exciting it was at least informative - for me, any way. I didn't know Logan was on Earth and certainly didn't know he was in Peru. Plus we now know he's in stasis.
He was just in London in ASM (attached) and another one can't think of OTTOMH since he was seen in Legacy #1.
He's been all over the place.
Cap #697 - tries to meet cap at that bar, but misses him
Thor #703 - delivers flowers to Jane
MTIO #3 - runs into Hydro-Man at a campfire
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Quote: I found it very difficult to recognize Roberto. In fact I don't actually recognize him. I infer the character next to the Scarlet Witch must be him.
And where is his metal band he needs on his forehead?
It doesn't appear to be a "band" anymore. They look kind of like barrettes on the sides of his head, not forehead.
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emerick man 
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Subject: Re: Meanwhile in MTiO #3, Hercules... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 10:21:04 am EST (Viewed 480 times) |
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[...Logan sighting...]
MTIO #3.
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=fantasticfour-2018021419234244
https://comicstore.marvel.com/Marvel-Two-In-One-2017-3/digital-comic/47244
https://postimg.org/image/vmufuv8rh/

Just read it. Things to note for other AMB readers that didn't get to read MTIO #3 yet: include the reversal of fortune fact that apparently(farfetchingly?) ALL of Johnny's millions(billions?) inheritance winfall is tied up in Avengers funding leaving him with no liquid cash. Also, it confirms that ( still sober) Hercules does in fact has his godly power back and how the imperiumologist that gave it to him.
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Quote: I found it very difficult to recognize Roberto. In fact I don't actually recognize him. I infer the character next to the Scarlet Witch must be him.
And where is his metal band he needs on his forehead?
It doesn't appear to be a "band" anymore. They look kind of like barrettes on the sides of his head, not forehead.
Okay. Thanks. Marvel might as well just integrate the tech it into a ring or special necklace so writers/artists won't be nitpicked with the artistic license interpretation of character design like Jubirella got with her an again and ogg again amulet that she finally got rid of.
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... (edit) [Re: emerick man] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 01:06:35 pm EST (Viewed 365 times) |
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When Wanda said she and VooDoo were ready Roberto was there with the band on his head.
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Subject: Re: Bah, Berto's band.... [Re: Dingers] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 02:15:55 pm EST (Viewed 357 times) |
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Quote: When Wanda said she and VooDoo were ready Roberto was there with the band on his head.
Yeah, missed that on first read thru. Not sure why he isn't wearing the "barrettes", as TBG called em, when he arrives in that first panel at the command centre - he must have JUST gotten out of the shower and was anxious for an update. He evidentally has more control over his uncontrollable power than Cyclops but he probably should have them on (almost) all the time. Also why doesn't he suit up into unstable molecule spandex? Is he going all plain clothes Luke Cage? Is he keeping the Citizen V persona afterall (as per Roll Call)? Bah. Berto was impressively getting onto my good sideafter he integrated his AIMvengers back into USA jurisdiction. He's been a dud since NO SURRENDER started.

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Subject: Re: Bah, Berto's band.... [Re: emerick man] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 04:13:12 pm EST (Viewed 368 times) |
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great picture. I think what we might think as graying on rge sides is the band.
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Subject: Re: After 3rd look at ish, you're probably right. [Re: Dingers] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 04:25:11 pm EST (Viewed 336 times) |
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Quote: great picture. I think what we might think as graying on rge sides is the band.
After 3rd look at ish, you're probably right.
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Subject: Re: Meanwhile in MTiO #3, Hercules... [Re: emerick man] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:13:27 pm EST (Viewed 356 times) |
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Quote: Okay. Thanks. Marvel might as well just integrate the tech it into a ring or special necklace so writers/artists won't be nitpicked with the artistic license interpretation of character design like Jubirella got with her an again and ogg again amulet that she finally got rid of.
That page with Jubilee and Chamber was great! What comic is it from? I almost feel bad for the poor jerk (presumably he's a jerk) who gets chambered and jubed in rapid succession.
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Subject: Re: Generation X #2. (Link) [Re: America's Captain] Posted Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:36:48 pm EST (Viewed 504 times) |
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Quote:
Quote: Okay. Thanks. Marvel might as well just integrate the tech it into a ring or special necklace so writers/artists won't be nitpicked with the artistic license interpretation of character design like Jubirella got with her an again and ogg again amulet that she finally got rid of.
Quote: That page with Jubilee and Chamber was great! What comic is it from? I almost feel bad for the poor jerk (presumably he's a jerk) who gets chambered and jubed in rapid succession.
Generation X #2.
Here's the source link for you:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jubilee/4005-4562/
& a lame review:
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=xmb-2017053120052363
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Subject: Re: Avengers #680: Crazy contrivance continues... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 06:04:18 am EST (Viewed 309 times) |
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Quote: Come to think of it... Simon's just been rather depressed for the past 10 years or so.
I've definitely felt that, though I certainly haven't been paying steady attention. More of an occasional glance. Marvel seems to want Serious Simon. Which can work as a precursor to the Beast loosening him up. Of course Simon loosens the Beast up too, though the Beast would never admit it.
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