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Subj: To what extent do you think of these characters as Avengers?
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 05:53:43 am EST (Viewed 447 times)


And why? What's your threshold? Does Cap have to ratify it? If not Cap, then does Iron Man, Thor, or the Wasp have to ratify it? Can Hawkeye ratify? Black Widow? Black Panther? Scarlet Witch? Must a quorum of Avengers vote? What constitutes a quorum?

The above are in-story reasons. Do you have any meta reasons? For example, if a character was only an Avenger during a certain era (or under a certain writer or pair of writers) and then was promptly dropped, do the in-story reasons get trumped by meta ones?

Characters:

Spider-Man - Bendis put him on the page a lot, as did Hickman. The No Surrender writers didn't use him. Aaron Belphegore isn't using him. I think in-story he was recruited by Cap. I don't consider him an Avenger any more. I did, but I don't any more, because he doesn't seem to consider himself an Avenger as far as I can tell, bearing in mind I don't buy his books.

Wolverine - Bendis put him on the page a lot. Did Hickman? The No Surrender writers didn't use him, because he was dead. Aaron Belphegore isn't using him, I guess because he was dead. I think in-story he was recruited by Cap. I don't consider him an Avenger any more. I did, but I don't any more, because he was dead and I think he's getting a fresh start, clumsy as that that fresh start may be. Also, and to be frank, I never really believed in him as in Avenger. Bendis never convinced me.

Luke Cage - Bendis put him on the page a lot. Did Hickman? The No Surrender writers didn't use him. Aaron Belphegore isn't using him. I think in-story he was recruited by Cap. I don't consider him an Avenger any more. I did, but I don't any more, because he doesn't seem to consider himself an Avenger as far as I can tell, bearing in mind I don't buy his books.

Starfox - I don't know how he got on the team. Bendis didn't use him. Did Hickman? Being an Avenger just seemed like a very temporary gig for this immortal character. I can't imagine that he thinks of himself proudly as an Avenger.

She-Hulk - I don't know how she got on the team. I don't think Bendis or Hickman used her. Did they? And yet, if the call went out for Avengers to Assemble, I feel confident She-Hulk would answer the call, and all would acknowledge her right to do so. I know Aaron Belphegore is using her, but let's face it, he's obviously doing it because he can't have the Hulk and there needs to be a Hulkish character because the movies trump all. Also he's completely violating her essential concept. Funny how the SJW is so ready to commit metatextual rape.

Any others you want to discuss in this vein?

It seems I don't buy into the sacred notion of, "Once an Avenger, always an Avenger." To me, at a meta level, some writers have their pet favorites, and when those writers leave the book, their pet favorites leave the mythos. When some later writer tries to make a big deal of the fact that, say, Starfox was an Avenger, it rings false and cheesy to me.







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