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Primetime.




Most of the book takes place during the final Civil War battle. We see more detail of how T'Challa opens the gate to 42. He has Pulsar to go into light form and shrink and enter his Kimoyo Card where he guides her through the modifications necessary to open the gate. During that time, Storm meets with and debates with Reed (apparently to keep him distracted) and then leaves to go join T'Challa and the rest of the resistance in their invasion of 42.

In the meantime, the Wakandan embassy is given orders to evacuate, yet a SHIELD helicopter orders them to stay put. The embassy auto-protection is activated and somehow the copters are effected, but I'm not sure how or if it is Storm who effects it (she goes to help defend the embassy).

After the battle goes to the streets, Storm and Clor face off (this went on off panel in CW #7). He tosses the hammer at her, and she easily slips it. It seems that Clor actually has no real control over the weather, but basically fires blasts and electricity from his hammer (I don't recall if this contradicts anything shown previously). Clor withstands all of Storm's lightning attacks and fires a killing blast at her, but Sue Richards blocks it with a force field. Clor buries Sue under rubble and takes off after Storm who is flying away. She then concentrates and beams an electromagnetic impulse into his brain which temporarily disrupts his electronics. He falls, yet quickly recovers and is ready to fight, but sees Hercules standing over him. Sue and Storm watch the battle between them awing at how Herc pounds on Clor.

Storm finds T'Challa and he informs her that Cap has surrendered and that they are on their own.

This issue is decent. The dialogue during the fighting seems a bit casual and sometimes jovial, so you don't really feel much intensity. It is kinda cool the way T'Challa gives instructions to Monica and Cage enabling them to win their particular fights (though I'm sure some will question Cage beating Doc Sampson) and Tony anticipating T'Challa's instructions to Monica and taking her down before she can act.


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Cire




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Obstreperous





> This issue is decent. The dialogue during the fighting seems a bit casual and sometimes jovial, so you don't really feel much intensity. It is kinda cool the way T'Challa gives instructions to Monica and Cage enabling them to win their particular fights (though I'm sure some will question Cage beating Doc Sampson) and Tony anticipating T'Challa's instructions to Monica and taking her down before she can act.

Enjoyed this issue a lot.. the fight with Herc and Thor was a nice moment of comedy in the mist of the serious war being fought out. Nice focus on the black and latino characters, with a focus on the token white person Invisible Woman, which is a cute reversal of the token black person.
Monica taking out Bishop was probably my favourite little moment.. poor guy he really got it in the final battle.


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Doctor of Doom




I preferred the idea to the execution; it would have been nice to see in Spidey for example more detail onhis role in the battle. Four big criticisms though:

-The streets were pretty bare. No impression of a colossal hero showdown at all really

-Why exactly did Invisible Woman and Storm think it was okay to stand there and WATCH Herc fight Clor? Didn't they have, y'know, a WAR to fight? And Invisible Woman apparantly moves VERY fast given that she's with Reed just BEFORE Clor dies....

-A SHIELD coptor orders the Wakandans to remain grounded, which seems pretty ensible to me given the colossal air battle. I didn't get the sense of an attack at all, so that seemed silly.

-T'Challa says destroying his embassy could be considered an act of war. Whereas joining a super hero army designed to resist a law, personally battling in the MIDDLE OF NEW YORK against enforcers of said law and providing aid to an illegal resistance group is apparantly just gravy. It's when you hit the embassies things go too far.

Still, most enjoyable Panther I've read yet and for all it's faults it was good... LOVED that "Let's see who is truly divine Thor", very nice art- the symmetry especially made it chilling.


> Most of the book takes place during the final Civil War battle. We see more detail of how T'Challa opens the gate to 42. He has Pulsar to go into light form and shrink and enter his Kimoyo Card where he guides her through the modifications necessary to open the gate. During that time, Storm meets with and debates with Reed (apparently to keep him distracted) and then leaves to go join T'Challa and the rest of the resistance in their invasion of 42.
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> In the meantime, the Wakandan embassy is given orders to evacuate, yet a SHIELD helicopter orders them to stay put. The embassy auto-protection is activated and somehow the copters are effected, but I'm not sure how or if it is Storm who effects it (she goes to help defend the embassy).
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> After the battle goes to the streets, Storm and Clor face off (this went on off panel in CW #7). He tosses the hammer at her, and she easily slips it. It seems that Clor actually has no real control over the weather, but basically fires blasts and electricity from his hammer (I don't recall if this contradicts anything shown previously). Clor withstands all of Storm's lightning attacks and fires a killing blast at her, but Sue Richards blocks it with a force field. Clor buries Sue under rubble and takes off after Storm who is flying away. She then concentrates and beams an electromagnetic impulse into his brain which temporarily disrupts his electronics. He falls, yet quickly recovers and is ready to fight, but sees Hercules standing over him. Sue and Storm watch the battle between them awing at how Herc pounds on Clor.
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> Storm finds T'Challa and he informs her that Cap has surrendered and that they are on their own.
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> This issue is decent. The dialogue during the fighting seems a bit casual and sometimes jovial, so you don't really feel much intensity. It is kinda cool the way T'Challa gives instructions to Monica and Cage enabling them to win their particular fights (though I'm sure some will question Cage beating Doc Sampson) and Tony anticipating T'Challa's instructions to Monica and taking her down before she can act.


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Yaw




I liked the conversation between Panther/Monica and Storm/Reed. I didn't like Panther schooling of Luke Cage. That was a bit much. The panel with Sue and Storm. Ehhhh. OVerall the book was a bit too lighthearted and comedic to be in the middle of a battle that was destroying Manhattan and resulted in the deaths of like 50ish civilians and 6 superheroes.

Oh the art didn't help. The battle felt fairly empty to me. Only a few heroes were represented.


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Thatguy




> I preferred the idea to the execution; it would have been nice to see in Spidey for example more detail onhis role in the battle. Four big criticisms though:
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> -The streets were pretty bare. No impression of a colossal hero showdown at all really
>
> -Why exactly did Invisible Woman and Storm think it was okay to stand there and WATCH Herc fight Clor? Didn't they have, y'know, a WAR to fight? And Invisible Woman apparantly moves VERY fast given that she's with Reed just BEFORE Clor dies....
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> -A SHIELD coptor orders the Wakandans to remain grounded, which seems pretty ensible to me given the colossal air battle. I didn't get the sense of an attack at all, so that seemed silly.
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> -T'Challa says destroying his embassy could be considered an act of war. Whereas joining a super hero army designed to resist a law, personally battling in the MIDDLE OF NEW YORK against enforcers of said law and providing aid to an illegal resistance group is apparantly just gravy. It's when you hit the embassies things go too far.

Funny how writers think diplomatic immunity applies to everything under the sun that an agent of another government might do.


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Primetime




> I liked the conversation between Panther/Monica and Storm/Reed. I didn't like Panther schooling of Luke Cage. That was a bit much. The panel with Sue and Storm. Ehhhh. OVerall the book was a bit too lighthearted and comedic to be in the middle of a battle that was destroying Manhattan and resulted in the deaths of like 50ish civilians and 6 superheroes.
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> Oh the art didn't help. The battle felt fairly empty to me. Only a few heroes were represented.

I have to agree on all points. Schooling Monica on how to counteract Bishop's power is one thing, but schooling Cage on basic fisticuffs sorta makes Cage look like an amature. This is, after all, the new leader of the New Avengers and an experienced hero who has thrown down for years. And it was to lighthearted during the fighting IMO.


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Primetime




> I preferred the idea to the execution; it would have been nice to see in Spidey for example more detail onhis role in the battle. Four big criticisms though:
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> -The streets were pretty bare. No impression of a colossal hero showdown at all really

True
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> -Why exactly did Invisible Woman and Storm think it was okay to stand there and WATCH Herc fight Clor? Didn't they have, y'know, a WAR to fight? And Invisible Woman apparantly moves VERY fast given that she's with Reed just BEFORE Clor dies....

Yea, Sue actions in BP don't jibe at all with her actions in CW #7. That was a total non-coordination of scripts.
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> -A SHIELD coptor orders the Wakandans to remain grounded, which seems pretty ensible to me given the colossal air battle. I didn't get the sense of an attack at all, so that seemed silly.
>
> -T'Challa says destroying his embassy could be considered an act of war. Whereas joining a super hero army designed to resist a law, personally battling in the MIDDLE OF NEW YORK against enforcers of said law and providing aid to an illegal resistance group is apparantly just gravy. It's when you hit the embassies things go too far.
>
> Still, most enjoyable Panther I've read yet and for all it's faults it was good... LOVED that "Let's see who is truly divine Thor", very nice art- the symmetry especially made it chilling.
>
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> > Most of the book takes place during the final Civil War battle. We see more detail of how T'Challa opens the gate to 42. He has Pulsar to go into light form and shrink and enter his Kimoyo Card where he guides her through the modifications necessary to open the gate. During that time, Storm meets with and debates with Reed (apparently to keep him distracted) and then leaves to go join T'Challa and the rest of the resistance in their invasion of 42.
> >
> > In the meantime, the Wakandan embassy is given orders to evacuate, yet a SHIELD helicopter orders them to stay put. The embassy auto-protection is activated and somehow the copters are effected, but I'm not sure how or if it is Storm who effects it (she goes to help defend the embassy).
> >
> > After the battle goes to the streets, Storm and Clor face off (this went on off panel in CW #7). He tosses the hammer at her, and she easily slips it. It seems that Clor actually has no real control over the weather, but basically fires blasts and electricity from his hammer (I don't recall if this contradicts anything shown previously). Clor withstands all of Storm's lightning attacks and fires a killing blast at her, but Sue Richards blocks it with a force field. Clor buries Sue under rubble and takes off after Storm who is flying away. She then concentrates and beams an electromagnetic impulse into his brain which temporarily disrupts his electronics. He falls, yet quickly recovers and is ready to fight, but sees Hercules standing over him. Sue and Storm watch the battle between them awing at how Herc pounds on Clor.
> >
> > Storm finds T'Challa and he informs her that Cap has surrendered and that they are on their own.
> >
> > This issue is decent. The dialogue during the fighting seems a bit casual and sometimes jovial, so you don't really feel much intensity. It is kinda cool the way T'Challa gives instructions to Monica and Cage enabling them to win their particular fights (though I'm sure some will question Cage beating Doc Sampson) and Tony anticipating T'Challa's instructions to Monica and taking her down before she can act.


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Ryan12177




A friend convinced me to give the Black Panther a fan based on the fact that I was a HUGE fan of the first year or so of Priest's run... and I think that was a bad way to come into it.

This issue however is definitly my last with the book. I think it had so much potential and the writer wasn't skilled enough to capitalize on it. Besides the fact that the Storm vs Thor cover was a big tease designed to sucker readers to buy, you had many many other issues.

Storm is the one member of the X-Men team that Bishop felt closest to and bowed to and yet you saw no dialogue interaction between the two. Not to mention the double ended issue of Monica calling Bishop a sell-out because I'm sure Hudlin doesn't realize that Bishop isn't black.

I think I share a lot of fans view that Hudlin has no idea who Storm is. Storm sounds more like a ghetto Tyra Banks than someone who hasn't hardly shown any bit of a lighthearted side the last 30 years.

As a black reader I've genuinely gotten to the point that I'm insulted. Marvel seems to think that if they put a black writer on a book with a black character that every black comic fan will flock to it, and that it'd attract new fans. The sad reality is that it is partially true, its the same in Hollywood where you have peopel seeing black films despite knowing they'll lack quality based on the principle of black people wanting to see other black people on screen. See any Wayans film...

There are plenty of talented black writers, so Marvel should find one and let go of the BET tie-in pipe dream.. this book has lost me.


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Primetime.





> Storm is the one member of the X-Men team that Bishop felt closest to and bowed to and yet you saw no dialogue interaction between the two. Not to mention the double ended issue of Monica calling Bishop a sell-out because I'm sure Hudlin doesn't realize that Bishop isn't black.

If Hudlin doesn't realize that Bishop isn't black, I gather that it would be because he has never been established as not being black. His creator created him to be black, but later events as well as non-canon things such as handbooks and trading cards have cause people to speculate on the possibilities of him being Aboriginal, Filipino, and even a descendant of Storm (which would make him black). But most fans view him as black and his Ultimate Universe counterpart is African American as well as the man who portrays him in the X-Men movie.


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ryan12177





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> If Hudlin doesn't realize that Bishop isn't black, I gather that it would be because he has never been established as not being black. His creator created him to be black, but later events as well as non-canon things such as handbooks and trading cards have cause people to speculate on the possibilities of him being Aboriginal, Filipino, and even a descendant of Storm (which would make him black). But most fans view him as black and his Ultimate Universe counterpart is African American as well as the man who portrays him in the X-Men movie.
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ACTUALLY in X-Treme X-Men Bishop is shown as being the grandson of Gateway, the aboriginal teleporter who served as transportation for the X-Men when they lived in the outback. That pretty much put to rest any speculation you or others had. I think that series was canon, but hey maybe I'm wrong..


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Loren




> ACTUALLY in X-Treme X-Men Bishop is shown as being the grandson of Gateway,

Great-grandson.

That still leaves seven other great-grandparents of Bishop who could be black. Why assume they're all Aborigine?


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ryan12177




> > ACTUALLY in X-Treme X-Men Bishop is shown as being the grandson of Gateway,
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> Great-grandson.
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> That still leaves seven other great-grandparents of Bishop who could be black. Why assume they're all Aborigine?


You're right it is an assumption on my part, but it's a pretty damn logical one at that in my opinion. Can't we give the aborginee one superhero lol..

no but in all seriousness, the Bishop thing is a minor issue. The bigger issue is Hudlin's inability to properly characterize up to and especiall not being able to get general emotions across(would you belive Storm and T'Challa loved each other if they didn't say it every 3 pages?) ... as a side note he even failed to put any emotion into a wedding. Even Lobdell pulled that off with Scott and Jean's wedding..

The dialogue is hokey.. "that man loves your dirty drawers" and he somehow has turned BP, Storm and the Wakandan's from a proud people into some bizarre version of BET's comic view

It stings a bit because BlackPanther is one of my favorite characters, but I won't pretend the writing on the book isn't painful anymore.

Sorry I'm venting, but my expectations were super high for the issue after seeing the cover and it was just flat-out bad in my opinion.



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AndrewMTC




> As a black reader I've genuinely gotten to the point that I'm insulted. Marvel seems to think that if they put a black writer on a book with a black character that every black comic fan will flock to it, and that it'd attract new fans. The sad reality is that it is partially true, its the same in Hollywood where you have peopel seeing black films despite knowing they'll lack quality based on the principle of black people wanting to see other black people on screen. See any Wayans film...
>
> There are plenty of talented black writers, so Marvel should find one and let go of the BET tie-in pipe dream.. this book has lost me.

Well said.

Speaking of TALENTED Black writers, I'm glad Marvel is FINALLY giving McDuffie the props he deserves, though it is....quite a coincidence that they assign him to FF as soon as Storm and BP join. It seems as if they only even give black writers a chance when they need someone to do a "black" book for them. I hope his run lasts well after BP and Storm leave, if only to prove to Marvel that they can have a (potentially) successful book from a Black author without making him write their "jive." I'm almost hoping someone like Priest will come back on a request to do a "black" book and basically turn in a "Bamboozled"-type script that Marvel will publish as a serious book ("we hired a black writer so the book couldn't be called racist...therefore this can't be offensive! right?").

I know that's an over-generalization, so I do recognize there are several counterexamples. I'm glad McDuffie got to do his awesome Beyond miniseries, but doing a just-barely-in-continuity mini is different from a significant run on a high profile book (which is exactly what he deserves, and I am very glad he's getting it now).

Now if they'd only collect his Damage Control stories, I'd be 10x happier.

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Yaw




> >
> Speaking of TALENTED Black writers, I'm glad Marvel is FINALLY giving McDuffie the props he deserves, though it is....quite a coincidence that they assign him to FF as soon as Storm and BP join. It seems as if they only even give black writers a chance when they need someone to do a "black" book for them. I hope his run lasts well after BP and Storm leave, if only to prove to Marvel that they can have a (potentially) successful book from a Black author without making him write their "jive." I'm almost hoping someone like Priest will come back on a request to do a "black" book and basically turn in a "Bamboozled"-type script that Marvel will publish as a serious book ("we hired a black writer so the book couldn't be called racist...therefore this can't be offensive! right?").
>


Priest has too many issues with his blackness to do something like that imo. HE won't even do a straight up "Black" book.


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Yaw




> A friend convinced me to give the Black Panther a fan based on the fact that I was a HUGE fan of the first year or so of Priest's run... and I think that was a bad way to come into it.


Why just the "first" year? Heh you sound like me. First year good. 3rd/4th= horrible.

>
> This issue however is definitly my last with the book. I think it had so much potential and the writer wasn't skilled enough to capitalize on it. Besides the fact that the Storm vs Thor cover was a big tease designed to sucker readers to buy, you had many many other issues.

Can't disagree.

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> Storm is the one member of the X-Men team that Bishop felt closest to and bowed to and yet you saw no dialogue interaction between the two. Not to mention the double ended issue of Monica calling Bishop a sell-out because I'm sure Hudlin doesn't realize that Bishop isn't black.
>
> I think I share a lot of fans view that Hudlin has no idea who Storm is. Storm sounds more like a ghetto Tyra Banks than someone who hasn't hardly shown any bit of a lighthearted side the last 30 years.

Can't disagree.
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> As a black reader I've genuinely gotten to the point that I'm insulted. Marvel seems to think that if they put a black writer on a book with a black character that every black comic fan will flock to it, and that it'd attract new fans. The sad reality is that it is partially true, its the same in Hollywood where you have peopel seeing black films despite knowing they'll lack quality based on the principle of black people wanting to see other black people on screen. See any Wayans film...
>

Umm I disagree with this. As far as Wayans films go, their revenue comes from white people.

> There are plenty of talented black writers, so Marvel should find one and let go of the BET tie-in pipe dream.. this book has lost me.

Well i definitely agree on finding black writers. It seems they are making those strides. I have defended Hudlin on numerous occasions on this board and I will continue to do so where it is warranted. It is not warranted here. This was not a good issue. I often find myself cringing when I read the book cuz I can only imagine the negative backlash it will get. In some cases that is not a bad thing but when it is due to things such as Storm and Sue playing ringside to the HErc/Clor fight, I just can't defend that.

I noticed this awhile back but it seemed that it might have been due to Eaton's artwork more than Hudlin's writing. The fact that at times the book seems REALLY lighthearted when it shouldn't be. I have noticed that in other book's that Eaton's drawn (e.g. Captain America disassembled). In other cases it was not as huge a deal to me. But this... Reading this gives me flashbacks of Kirby's writing. I loathe Kirby's writing. Hudlin has admitted to really loving Kirby's work. Kirby had good qualities but writing was just not one of them.

Well now that Civil War is over i will stick around what direction the book takes. IT has been lacking a true direction since the Wedding. the CW direction artificial although I think it opened up some nice future stories for the book.


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AndrewMTC




> > >
> > Speaking of TALENTED Black writers, I'm glad Marvel is FINALLY giving McDuffie the props he deserves, though it is....quite a coincidence that they assign him to FF as soon as Storm and BP join. It seems as if they only even give black writers a chance when they need someone to do a "black" book for them. I hope his run lasts well after BP and Storm leave, if only to prove to Marvel that they can have a (potentially) successful book from a Black author without making him write their "jive." I'm almost hoping someone like Priest will come back on a request to do a "black" book and basically turn in a "Bamboozled"-type script that Marvel will publish as a serious book ("we hired a black writer so the book couldn't be called racist...therefore this can't be offensive! right?").
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> Priest has too many issues with his blackness to do something like that imo. HE won't even do a straight up "Black" book.

I know he won't, which is why he apparently (according to him) has not worked for Marvel for so long - they kept pigeon-holing him and asking him to work on "Black" books exclusively. I can understand his frustration with them. Though I know it probably wouldn't happen, I think it'd be nice if one time he "Gave them what they were askin for," so to speak.

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AndrewMTC




> >
> > As a black reader I've genuinely gotten to the point that I'm insulted. Marvel seems to think that if they put a black writer on a book with a black character that every black comic fan will flock to it, and that it'd attract new fans. The sad reality is that it is partially true, its the same in Hollywood where you have peopel seeing black films despite knowing they'll lack quality based on the principle of black people wanting to see other black people on screen. See any Wayans film...
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> Umm I disagree with this. As far as Wayans films go, their revenue comes from white people.

Wayans movie attract all shades (unfortunately). It's things like the Tyler Perry/Madea films that play to an overly welcoming Black audience. Not exactly as lowbrow but....not much better movies.

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Vision Williams




At least his not restricting himself is a sign of not having that much of a colonized mindset or at least struggling to resist certain issues. Let's remember where and how Negritude was born----not Africa.




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> > > Speaking of TALENTED Black writers, I'm glad Marvel is FINALLY giving McDuffie the props he deserves, though it is....quite a coincidence that they assign him to FF as soon as Storm and BP join. It seems as if they only even give black writers a chance when they need someone to do a "black" book for them. I hope his run lasts well after BP and Storm leave, if only to prove to Marvel that they can have a (potentially) successful book from a Black author without making him write their "jive." I'm almost hoping someone like Priest will come back on a request to do a "black" book and basically turn in a "Bamboozled"-type script that Marvel will publish as a serious book ("we hired a black writer so the book couldn't be called racist...therefore this can't be offensive! right?").
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> > Priest has too many issues with his blackness to do something like that imo. HE won't even do a straight up "Black" book.
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> I know he won't, which is why he apparently (according to him) has not worked for Marvel for so long - they kept pigeon-holing him and asking him to work on "Black" books exclusively. I can understand his frustration with them. Though I know it probably wouldn't happen, I think it'd be nice if one time he "Gave them what they were askin for," so to speak.
>
> Check it out: Shu and I teamed up!
>


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AndrewMTC




> At least his not restricting himself is a sign of not having that much of a colonized mindset or at least struggling to resist certain issues. Let's remember where and how Negritude was born----not Africa.
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Well I certainly respect Priest's position, I think I may have said that already. I can imagine myself doing the same thing.
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> > > > Speaking of TALENTED Black writers, I'm glad Marvel is FINALLY giving McDuffie the props he deserves, though it is....quite a coincidence that they assign him to FF as soon as Storm and BP join. It seems as if they only even give black writers a chance when they need someone to do a "black" book for them. I hope his run lasts well after BP and Storm leave, if only to prove to Marvel that they can have a (potentially) successful book from a Black author without making him write their "jive." I'm almost hoping someone like Priest will come back on a request to do a "black" book and basically turn in a "Bamboozled"-type script that Marvel will publish as a serious book ("we hired a black writer so the book couldn't be called racist...therefore this can't be offensive! right?").
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> > > Priest has too many issues with his blackness to do something like that imo. HE won't even do a straight up "Black" book.
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> > I know he won't, which is why he apparently (according to him) has not worked for Marvel for so long - they kept pigeon-holing him and asking him to work on "Black" books exclusively. I can understand his frustration with them. Though I know it probably wouldn't happen, I think it'd be nice if one time he "Gave them what they were askin for," so to speak.
> >
> > Check it out: Shu and I teamed up!
> >

Check it out: Shu and I teamed up!



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spacegrapes




I liked this issue better than Civil War 7, and while I think it did a good job at explaining some of the things that went on behind the scenes of CW7, I did find it a little choppy. I also found it amusing that Storm and Clor were on the cover, not BP.

I'm a huge Monica Rambeau fan, so getting to have a few pages with her makes every issue better. I'm not really looking forward to the resolution of her crush on T'Challa, since we know he's too proper to ever cheat, and I would have suspected her to be too honorable to even consider having a fling with a married man. It's funny how a year of NextWave has changed her character.

I'm very interested to see where things are going with the series, and also with Dwayne McDuffie's Fantastic Four.

Paul


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Ryan12177




Priest has many issues.. especially blaming Marvel for not supporting him despite his plots get hokey the longer his books run.. but in this case he's 100 % right

He's shown an ability to really do great work at times, especially political things (See the poor and retarded version as Judd Winick) and yet Marvelhas really never given him a shot. That Captain America and the Falcon book was not a shot due to no one expecting Cap's fanbse to be able to support two books.

I remember when the Avengers needed a new writer circa that UNstuff, and Priestwould have been perfect.. yet Marvel briefly went with Chuck Austin(a much worse writer)

So yeah if I were in Priest's shoes I'd hold out for a mainstream white character


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Vision Williams




I couldn't agree more. Yes Priest can provide African-American perspective more realistically than most marvel writers. It would be great if he introduced some Black characters or took care of ones needing a dusting off (like Hudlin is doing now). But why limit himself? He would be in a much better position to do all of those things AFTER a critically aclaimed, well selling run on a big name Marvel property. I would read a Priest written Thor, Cap, Iron Man or Wolverine book.

ZEEEEEEEEEE-Chief




> Priest has many issues.. especially blaming Marvel for not supporting him despite his plots get hokey the longer his books run.. but in this case he's 100 % right
>
> He's shown an ability to really do great work at times, especially political things (See the poor and retarded version as Judd Winick) and yet Marvelhas really never given him a shot. That Captain America and the Falcon book was not a shot due to no one expecting Cap's fanbse to be able to support two books.
>
> I remember when the Avengers needed a new writer circa that UNstuff, and Priestwould have been perfect.. yet Marvel briefly went with Chuck Austin(a much worse writer)
>
> So yeah if I were in Priest's shoes I'd hold out for a mainstream white character


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AndrewMTC




> I couldn't agree more. Yes Priest can provide African-American perspective more realistically than most marvel writers. It would be great if he introduced some Black characters or took care of ones needing a dusting off (like Hudlin is doing now). But why limit himself? He would be in a much better position to do all of those things AFTER a critically aclaimed, well selling run on a big name Marvel property. I would read a Priest written Thor, Cap, Iron Man or Wolverine book.
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> ZEEEEEEEEEE-Chief
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It hasn't been Priest limiting himself, it's been Marvel. He WANTS (or at least did for a while after his BP run) to work on a book that does not feature black protagonists, to prove that he can be more than just Marvel's "black writer." But Marvel never gave him the chance.

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> > Priest has many issues.. especially blaming Marvel for not supporting him despite his plots get hokey the longer his books run.. but in this case he's 100 % right
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> > He's shown an ability to really do great work at times, especially political things (See the poor and retarded version as Judd Winick) and yet Marvelhas really never given him a shot. That Captain America and the Falcon book was not a shot due to no one expecting Cap's fanbse to be able to support two books.
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> > I remember when the Avengers needed a new writer circa that UNstuff, and Priestwould have been perfect.. yet Marvel briefly went with Chuck Austin(a much worse writer)
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> > So yeah if I were in Priest's shoes I'd hold out for a mainstream white character

Check it out: Shu and I teamed up!



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MysteryMan




> > I couldn't agree more. Yes Priest can provide African-American perspective more realistically than most marvel writers. It would be great if he introduced some Black characters or took care of ones needing a dusting off (like Hudlin is doing now). But why limit himself? He would be in a much better position to do all of those things AFTER a critically aclaimed, well selling run on a big name Marvel property. I would read a Priest written Thor, Cap, Iron Man or Wolverine book.
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> > ZEEEEEEEEEE-Chief
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> It hasn't been Priest limiting himself, it's been Marvel. He WANTS (or at least did for a while after his BP run) to work on a book that does not feature black protagonists, to prove that he can be more than just Marvel's "black writer." But Marvel never gave him the chance.

It's really sad to hear that.
I have always been a BPanther fan...and I love what Priest did on the title.
I think he has some amazing talent...I would give almsot anything he wrote at least a shot. I don't care what the color of your skin is...if you can write well...you can write well. \:\)


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Yaw





> I'm almost hoping someone like Priest will come back on a request to do a "black" book and basically turn in a "Bamboozled"-type script that Marvel will publish as a serious book ("we hired a black writer so the book couldn't be called racist...therefore this can't be offensive! right?").
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Now that I look at it I think his Black all-star cast may have been his "Bamboozled" issue. That shit is corny as all hell and he does little to make any of the characters interesting or respectable.


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Thatguy




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> > I'm almost hoping someone like Priest will come back on a request to do a "black" book and basically turn in a "Bamboozled"-type script that Marvel will publish as a serious book ("we hired a black writer so the book couldn't be called racist...therefore this can't be offensive! right?").
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> Now that I look at it I think his Black all-star cast may have been his "Bamboozled" issue. That shit is corny as all hell and he does little to make any of the characters interesting or respectable.

At least he contained it to a quick one shot story, and, ya know, not an entire series like Hudlin ;\)

*rimshot*


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marlon




Actually, I remember Priest saying on his site that he was offered a non-black book (a white team - Priest didn't say which one)by Marvel. He also said he was offered the black firestorm (which he turned down - smartly in my opinion). So Marvel is learning slowly.

I think when the Knaufs are done he would be great for Ironman and a Cage series (if he was willing to do a "black" book).


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