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DH the Lurker




ESSENTIAL BLACK PANTHER Vol. 1
Jungle Action #6-18, Fantastic Four #52-53 & Annual #5, Tales of Suspense #97-99, Captain America #100, Avengers #62, 87, 112, Astonishing Tales #6-7, Daredevil #52, 69 & Annual #4a
Approx. 531 pages

First arc of JA and all of the significant background issues that come before.


ESSENTIAL BLACK PANTHER Vol. 2
Jungle Action #19-22, 24, Black Panther #1-15, Marvel Premiere #51-53, Marvel Two-in-One #40-41, Marvel Team-Up #87, 100, Iron Man Annual #5, Daredevil #245
Approx. 545 pages

All of Kirby panther sandwiched between second arc of JA and its follow-up, plus other other important issues referenced by Priest and others.


ESSENTIAL BLACK PANTHER Vol. 3
Black Panther Vol. 2 #1-4, Marvel Comics Presents 13-37, Solo Avengers #19, Black Panther: Panther's Prey #1-4, Marvel Super-Heroes #1, Marvel Fanfare #60, Fantastic Four Unlimited #1
Approx. 607 pages

Amazing how much BP material there is from the late 80's/early 90's. Last of the McGregor material, and the controversial FFU story by Roy Thomas that plays havoc with T'Challa's backstory (see? Hudlin wasn't the first!).


DH the Lurker
(Now get a move-on, Marvel!)


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pantherlord




I seriously dislike Marvel selling tradepaperbacks that they call essential in black and white instead of its original color. Marvel Comics is the only comic book company that does this and I am sick of it.


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AndrewMTC




> I seriously dislike Marvel selling tradepaperbacks that they call essential in black and white instead of its original color. Marvel Comics is the only comic book company that does this and I am sick of it.

First of all, I hope you aren't seriously expecting a color Essential...ever. It's a brand name describing a particular form of reprint/collection. Ask for a different kind of BP collection if you want color, obviously.

And actually, DC took a cue from Marvel in the past year or two and started doing the same thing (they're called Showcase Presents). The B&W format allows companies to pack in as many issues as possible for a relatively low price point. You get what you pay for - you want color comics, you pay for the color collections (Masterworks, Legends, Omnibi, Oversized and Premiere Hardcovers, etc). But you want more bulk for less buck, go Essentials - and enough people appreciate that sentiment to keep the format alive (and spreading to DC!). Not to mention a lot of great old artists were relatively mangled by lazy or just low-tech coloring back in the day. I don't think I would have enjoyed my Essential Howard the Duck nearly as much if some of the beautiful pencil/ink work were obscured by not-great coloring jobs.

Also, Marvel's recent comic DVDs are apparently top-notch - not only do you get hundreds of issues in their original color, but you even get all the original ads and letter pages and such as well.

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Scott




> I seriously dislike Marvel selling tradepaperbacks that they call essential in black and white instead of its original color. Marvel Comics is the only comic book company that does this and I am sick of it.

That's not true at all. DC and all of the major and minor comic book publishers that release tpbs have black & white volumes.

Scott
"Probably the most famous speech from the GREEN LANTERN/GREEN ARROW story is the black guy coming up to Green Lantern and saying 'You helped the green guys, you helped the purple guys, you helped the blue guys. What have you done for the black guys?' And my answer would have been, I saved the world 15,000 times, duh. I didn't go out to save the white guys, I saved the world. So get off my back."
Marv Wolfman



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Scott




> And actually, DC took a cue from Marvel in the past year or two and started doing the same thing (they're called Showcase Presents).

Actually DC did it first with their Jack Kirby Fourth World trade paperbacks before the Essential line started. Although the Fourth World tpbs were black and white with grey tones.

Scott
"Probably the most famous speech from the GREEN LANTERN/GREEN ARROW story is the black guy coming up to Green Lantern and saying 'You helped the green guys, you helped the purple guys, you helped the blue guys. What have you done for the black guys?' And my answer would have been, I saved the world 15,000 times, duh. I didn't go out to save the white guys, I saved the world. So get off my back."
Marv Wolfman



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AndrewMTC




> > And actually, DC took a cue from Marvel in the past year or two and started doing the same thing (they're called Showcase Presents).
>
> Actually DC did it first with their Jack Kirby Fourth World trade paperbacks before the Essential line started. Although the Fourth World tpbs were black and white with grey tones.

Oh I'm sure many companies had B&W volumes before Marvel...but I meant in terms of a singularly branded line of big fat collections of assorted vintage books...Essentials came first and Showcase followed suite (between Marvel & DC of course).
>
> Scott
> "Probably the most famous speech from the GREEN LANTERN/GREEN ARROW story is the black guy coming up to Green Lantern and saying 'You helped the green guys, you helped the purple guys, you helped the blue guys. What have you done for the black guys?' And my answer would have been, I saved the world 15,000 times, duh. I didn't go out to save the white guys, I saved the world. So get off my back."
> Marv Wolfman


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pantherlord




Why, does Marvel and now DC have to have collections of their great heroes reprinted in black and white?

It makes no sense at all to me. Not counting manga, color is an essential part of a comic book. You might even say that it is the most essential part. Without color you do not have anything but black and white doodles. Even the best artists at Marvel and DC usually cannot do without color. Color is the blood of the American comic book.

Further, I have never seen a single Essential Collection sold anywhere at any time. I have not even seen an Essential Collection even picked up.

Image came out recently with gigantic trade paperback collections of Tomb Raider, Witchblade and The Darkness containing a great deal of issues with all of them in color. These collections are like one thousand pages long and again in color.

Marvel has no excuse to be making their cheap colorless Essential collections.

If the original colors of some issues came out looking bad, they should just fix the colors.

No one wants to read about a phantom Spider-Man with no colors, an Iron Man with no Iron, a Captain America with a blank shield, and a Hulk without his Gamma Radiation, this is just insane.


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AndrewMTC




Well, speak for yourself. I own a number of Essential collections, and I know many people who enjoy Essentials and Showcases (and have seen people buy them in front of me). Like I said before and you said just now, they are cheap - that's one of their benefits. Cheap for US. And saying color is the most important part of art cheapens the power of a great penciler(/inker).

As for those Image Compendium editions, their list prices are generally $60 for about 1200 color pages. They also are all recent comics whose art is almost guaranteed to be digitally stored somewhere and easily printed in sufficient color and with no restoration whatsoever. Essential and Showcase editions print almost exclusively old comics which, if they were in color, would require processes like complete recoloring, or scanning and trying to salvage existing copies of the physical issue. All of these are time consuming and expensive prospects compared to simply reproducing the black and white art. And much of the pencil/ink art, which was not hindered by the limited production tools available at the time of publication, stands up to the test of time very well (especially, for me at least, some of the great stuff found in Howard the Duck or Moon Knight, for example). The colors do not stand that same test, and thus often age a book more than necessary and thus get in the way of some otherwise timeless art. And taking all that into account, using B&W allows Essentials for about $16, or about a quarter of the price of Image Compendiums for half (up to roughly 600 pages) the content.

I'm not saying I dislike seeing color in old comics, but in terms of reprints there is nothing wrong with a cheaper, easier alternative that often can even end up HELPING the presentation of the art. A good penciler can often be perfectly effective at conveying a story on his own (perhaps you have been paying too much attention to current artists - some very talented, of course - that rely heavily on computer coloring on top of their work instead of employing detailed linework at the penciling stage). Calling B&W art "doodles" - as if it has no merit until a colorist has his way with it, is pretty insulting to and ignorant of a penciler's (and inker's) job. And anyways, it's not like we don't know what color Spider-Man is. And god forbid someone not know what color Black Panther is.

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> No one wants to read about a phantom Spider-Man with no colors, an Iron Man with no Iron, a Captain America with a blank shield, and a Hulk without his Gamma Radiation, this is just insane.

1. Like I said, speak for yourself. Essentials sell very well, or else there wouldn't be so many of them nor would they stay in print for years. Also, DC probably wouldn't have bothered inventing their Showcase Presents line. And 2. Everyone knows what color Spider-Man is already. Iron isn't bright red or yellow, so I don't know what difference color makes there. And Captain America's shield is penciled before it's colored in, in case you didn't know. And again, everyone knows what color Hulk is, most of the time. It's not insane. It's that some people are more appreciative of black & white art than you seem to be. You are welcome to only buy and enjoy color comics, but lots of other people are happy with B&W. And no one is forcing you to buy an Essential book, so let's not get too worked up about it.

[examples: Ron Lim's Captain America - his shield is still pretty recognizable.
Moon Knight cover - colors don't really add too much to the already awesome angle, mood, and poses here. They do spruce it up a bit, but in some ways it is a little more stark and intense without them (find the colored version here, as well as a famously awesome B&W cover to that very same series: http://comicbrain.com/2006/11/07/five-rules-for-getting-moon-knight-on-the-a-list/ ).
Watchmen page - the colors in Watchmen are great and it's a book I would certainly prefer to read fully colored, but to say Gibbons's art was "doodles" before colors were applied would be insane.]

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Scott




> Why, does Marvel and now DC have to have collections of their great heroes reprinted in black and white?

Because they make money off them. Plus fans are more willing to shell out $16 for 20 issues of reprints as opposed to the 10 that they get in color in an Archive or Masterwork for $50. Plus the Showcase and Essential volumes collect comics that will never be collected in a color hardcover collection like SUPER-VILLAIN TEAM-UP and SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS.

I prefer color myself but if they aren't going to give us the desired volumes in color then I'll have to satisfy myself with a B&W collection.

> Further, I have never seen a single Essential Collection sold anywhere at any time. I have not even seen an Essential Collection even picked up.

Then you aren't looking too hard. Comic shops have them. WaldenBooks have them. Same thing with Barnes & Noble.

> Marvel has no excuse to be making their cheap colorless Essential collections.

Right.

Scott


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Reverend Meteor




I've been curious to read his early adventures. If they can give essentials to Man-Thing or Howard the Duck why can't they have one for Black Panther?


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