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Pan




I love the Black Panther, and I always have. Black Panther is one of my top 5 Superheroes of all time. I enjoyed the Kirby series and the Mcgregor one. However I was in heaven when Priest did the definative take on BP with the late 90s Marvel Knights Black Panther Title. I enjoyed Priest's sophisticated and thought provoking stories. It did my heart good to read about T'challa for longer than any other writer could take him. It lasted for 49 issues to be exact (I don't count Kasper Cole BP), and I was sad to see it end.

When I heard Reginald Hudlin was going to do another Black Panther book, once again I got excited about seeing one of my favorite heroes in action again. It was immediately evident that Hudlin's Panther lacked the political intrigue and sophisticated storylines of Priest. However his stories were enjoyable nonetheless, and entertainment is what comic books are for!

Despite the vocal opposition to Hudlin's Black Panther, it is the 2nd most successful BP title ever with 29 issues and counting. WIth the brilliant moves of having T'challa marry Storm, and joining the Fantastic Four, I think Hudlin has a good chance of surpassing Priest's record run for the character. Personally I hope that he does, and will continue to give my $$$ to make this happen.


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Darius




I agree that Hudlin's run on Panther is the second most successful stent on Black Panther, but I'm still wishing the stories would improve, especially since T'Challa has a wife now. I want to see stories where they actually show them being a King and Queen in Wakanda, and I would like to see a storyline where T'Challa has to go overseas or something on a mission with the Avengers, and Storm has to deal with a crisis in Wakanda as a Queen.

I also would like to see the return of the White Wolf, Achebe, Okoye and Zuri, since they were excellent characters in Priest's run. A visit from Malice (formerly Nakia, a Dora Milaje) to challenge Storm for the heart of T'Challa would also be cool to see. Perhaps while T'Challa is away helping the Avengers, Malice causes trouble, and Storm has to devise a way to take her down.

I also wish they would find a permanent artist for the book, because this constant revolving door of artists on the title is ridiculous. They don't have a revolving door of writers on the book, so why are they doing this to the artwork?


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Bob Almond




Priest's record may be challenged as the longest-running BP writer but it sounds like Sal & my record will, with much pride, remain intact as longest-running BP artists for the time being;-)

Best,
Bob Almond


> I also wish they would find a permanent artist for the book, because this constant revolving door of artists on the title is ridiculous. They don't have a revolving door of writers on the book, so why are they doing this to the artwork?


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pantherlord




> Priest's record may be challenged as the longest-running BP writer but it sounds like Sal & my record will, with much pride, remain intact as longest-running BP artists for the time being;-)
>
> Best,
> Bob Almond
>
>
> > I also wish they would find a permanent artist for the book, because this constant revolving door of artists on the title is ridiculous. They don't have a revolving door of writers on the book, so why are they doing this to the artwork?

I really do not see what the big news is. Marvel has marketed Hudlin's Black Panther like crazy and has had Black Panther involved in several crossovers which is really the only reason Black Panther is selling so well.

Priest will be remembered for all time as one of the greatest comic book writers ever, with his Black Panther run as the best besides McGregor's Black Panther run.

Hudlin will be remembered as one of several bad comic book writers working at Marvel Comics a few years before the collapse of Marvel Comics. People will remember Hudlin with disdain because in all his Black Panther he accomplished nothing with Black Panther.

Dwayne Turner will be recalled as the highlight of Black Panther's adventures during the Hudlin years, which makes Hudlin pretty much insignificant.


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AndrewMTC




> Priest's record may be challenged as the longest-running BP writer but it sounds like Sal & my record will, with much pride, remain intact as longest-running BP artists for the time being;-)
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> Best,
> Bob Almond
>
And who better to hold that title?
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> > I also wish they would find a permanent artist for the book, because this constant revolving door of artists on the title is ridiculous. They don't have a revolving door of writers on the book, so why are they doing this to the artwork?

Check it out: Shu and I (and FLCL) teamed up!



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Scott




> Priest's record may be challenged as the longest-running BP writer but it sounds like Sal & my record will, with much pride, remain intact as longest-running BP artists for the time being ;\-\)

And the best BP artists after Jack Kirby.

Scott


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DamonO




> > Priest's record may be challenged as the longest-running BP writer but it sounds like Sal & my record will, with much pride, remain intact as longest-running BP artists for the time being;-)
> >
> > Best,
> > Bob Almond
> >
> >
> > > I also wish they would find a permanent artist for the book, because this constant revolving door of artists on the title is ridiculous. They don't have a revolving door of writers on the book, so why are they doing this to the artwork?
>
> I really do not see what the big news is. Marvel has marketed Hudlin's Black Panther like crazy and has had Black Panther involved in several crossovers which is really the only reason Black Panther is selling so well.
>
And of course, no comic ever fails when its marketed like crazy and participates in crossovers.

> Priest will be remembered for all time as one of the greatest comic book writers ever, with his Black Panther run as the best besides McGregor's Black Panther run.
>
> Hudlin will be remembered as one of several bad comic book writers working at Marvel Comics a few years before the collapse of Marvel Comics. People will remember Hudlin with disdain because in all his Black Panther he accomplished nothing with Black Panther.
>

Because, if you remember that way, then everyone else must too? I know this is hard to believe, but there are actually people that like Hudlin's BLACK PANTHER. And believe it or not, there are actually people that didn't care for Priest's BP. I happen to like them both, but don't assume that just because you like or dislike a series that somehow, the majority of people feel the same way.

> Dwayne Turner will be recalled as the highlight of Black Panther's adventures during the Hudlin years, which makes Hudlin pretty much >insignificant.

Let's hope they recall that Dwayne's last name is McDuffie, not Turner.


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pantherlord




> Because, if you remember that way, then everyone else must too? I know this is hard to believe, but there are actually people that like Hudlin's BLACK PANTHER. And believe it or not, there are actually people that didn't care for Priest's BP. I happen to like them both, but don't assume that just because you like or dislike a series that somehow, the majority of people feel the same way.

Who cares. The consensus is that Priest's run is incredible and well recommended while Hudlin's run is horrible beyond belief. It is not my opinion, I found out about Priest's incredible run through several big websites including IGN and Silver Bullet Comic Books that recommend Priest's run. Neither of these sites like Hudlin's abysmal run.

Do not assume that because you like trash that it is actually good.

> > Dwayne Turner will be recalled as the highlight of Black Panther's adventures during the Hudlin years, which makes Hudlin pretty much >insignificant.
>
> Let's hope they recall that Dwayne's last name is McDuffie, not Turner.

Sorry, I got them confused. They are both great comic book artists. I meant Dwayne McDuffie.


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DamonO




> > Because, if you remember that way, then everyone else must too? I know this is hard to believe, but there are actually people that like Hudlin's BLACK PANTHER. And believe it or not, there are actually people that didn't care for Priest's BP. I happen to like them both, but don't assume that just because you like or dislike a series that somehow, the majority of people feel the same way.
>
> Who cares. The consensus is that Priest's run is incredible and well recommended while Hudlin's run is horrible beyond belief. It is not my opinion, I found out about Priest's incredible run through several big websites including IGN and Silver Bullet Comic Books that recommend >Priest's run. Neither of these sites like Hudlin's abysmal run.

What consensus? Are you claiming that you personally know the opinions of everyone who has read both versions? Based on what? The opinions you've read here? Your friends? Both Priest's and Hudlin's versions of the Panther have been read by tens of thousands of readers. And you personally know what most of them think? I'd like to see your evidence.


> Do not assume that because you like trash that it is actually good.
>
And don't assume that just because you don't like something, that makes it trash.

During Priest's run on BLACK PANTHER, the owner of the comics store I frequented was a big fan of the series, as was I. However, sales of the series were lackluster at his store. In order to increase sales, he took the unprecedented step of putting up a sign at his cash register encouraging his customers to buy the Panther series, and made an offer that if anyone purchased an issue and didn't like it, they could bring it back in and get a full refund. Very few people picked up a copy.

He and I theorized that maybe if people would just read a copy of the book, they'd get hooked and want to read more. Since we both wanted the book to succeed, I agreed to buy 10 extra copies and asked him to give one copy -- free -- to 10 of his regular customers who he thought might enjoy the book. The issue was the first part of the "Enemy of the State" II storyline, which guest-starred Wolverine and Iron Man.
It was a five part story, and we figured that if we gave them part one as a freebie, they'd be enticed to come back for more.

So out of ten, how many of the customers decided to keep buying the series? Only one -- and even he bailed out after the storyline was complete.

Whe the store owner asked them why they weren't interested in buying the series, almost all of them said the same thing. The said the book was confusing to read and hard to follow -- and while all of them were very complimentary of the art, it was the writing they had a problem with.

The fact is, no matter how good or bad I or anyone may personally feel a title is, that doesn't all or most other people feel the same way.
I read Priest and find it interesting and compelling, but others read him and find it confusing and boring. The point is, there's no guarantee that Priest's Panther would've been a success -- or more successful -- if Marvel had marketed it more. How many movies flop despite a huge marketing push? Sometimes we what we like -- or hate -- isn't shared by the majority of other comics fans.

DC Comics used to publish a title starring a character I hated named LOBO. I didn't care for the character or the comic. But LOBO's series enjoyed a nice run and even though I didn't care for it personally, there were many people that did. I didn't see it as trash or garbage, just something that didn't appeal to me.


> > > Dwayne Turner will be recalled as the highlight of Black Panther's adventures during the Hudlin years, which makes Hudlin pretty much >insignificant.
> >
> > Let's hope they recall that Dwayne's last name is McDuffie, not Turner.
>
> Sorry, I got them confused. They are both great comic book artists. I >meant Dwayne McDuffie.

Actually, Dwayne McDuffie is a writer, not an artist.


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Thatguy




> > Because, if you remember that way, then everyone else must too? I know this is hard to believe, but there are actually people that like Hudlin's BLACK PANTHER. And believe it or not, there are actually people that didn't care for Priest's BP. I happen to like them both, but don't assume that just because you like or dislike a series that somehow, the majority of people feel the same way.
>
> Who cares. The consensus is that Priest's run is incredible and well recommended while Hudlin's run is horrible beyond belief. It is not my opinion, I found out about Priest's incredible run through several big websites including IGN and Silver Bullet Comic Books that recommend Priest's run. Neither of these sites like Hudlin's abysmal run.

While Priest's run easily gathered more critical acclaim than Hudlin, his series is hardly held with contempt by the majority of fandom. Most ignore it, at worse.

>
> Do not assume that because you like trash that it is actually good.

And don't assume all tastes are the same. There's justification enough to call Hudlin's work trash and pathetic. That 'everyone agrees' doesn't need to be one of them ;\)


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KURU




>>.
>
> During Priest's run on BLACK PANTHER, the owner of the comics store I frequented was a big fan of the series, as was I. However, sales of the series were lackluster at his store. In order to increase sales, he took the unprecedented step of putting up a sign at his cash register encouraging his customers to buy the Panther series, and made an offer that if anyone purchased an issue and didn't like it, they could bring it back in and get a full refund. Very few people picked up a copy.
>
> He and I theorized that maybe if people would just read a copy of the book, they'd get hooked and want to read more. Since we both wanted the book to succeed, I agreed to buy 10 extra copies and asked him to give one copy -- free -- to 10 of his regular customers who he thought might enjoy the book. The issue was the first part of the "Enemy of the State" II storyline, which guest-starred Wolverine and Iron Man.
> It was a five part story, and we figured that if we gave them part one as a freebie, they'd be enticed to come back for more.
>
> So out of ten, how many of the customers decided to keep buying the series? Only one -- and even he bailed out after the storyline was complete.
>
> Whe the store owner asked them why they weren't interested in buying the series, almost all of them said the same thing. The said the book was confusing to read and hard to follow -- and while all of them were very complimentary of the art, it was the writing they had a problem with.
>
>
GOOD POST
lol when i hear stuff like this i get worried how confusing could it be? its a comic!! its like what many critics and the fox network said about firefly " too cerebral" lol


a couple of things we have to remeber is BP has never been an A list hero we might love him but if he just another guy in the marvel u to someone it doesnt matter how good the book is they are not spending the money its like the new booster gold series coming out you couldnt pay me enough to buy that series even if peter david wrote it and carlos pacheco drew it ( two of my favs) i would stay away i just dont like the character. also i pretty much hate the xmen, its a bad soap opera if you ask me, even when joss whendon and john cassady were doing it i ended up dropping the book because i dont like any of the characters we might not get it but folks are not crazy about black panther

also lets face it black characters dont sell out of all the solo titles at the big 2 publishers how many are black characters? how many image characters? you have BP at marvel i cant think of anyone else and there are some really good black characters out there\


unfortunatley we will just have to live wth it


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Redeemed




if success is based on the # of issues released, Hudlin's run is 2nd...but if its best on stories, character development, etc.

uh not so much

> I love the Black Panther, and I always have. Black Panther is one of my top 5 Superheroes of all time. I enjoyed the Kirby series and the Mcgregor one. However I was in heaven when Priest did the definative take on BP with the late 90s Marvel Knights Black Panther Title. I enjoyed Priest's sophisticated and thought provoking stories. It did my heart good to read about T'challa for longer than any other writer could take him. It lasted for 49 issues to be exact (I don't count Kasper Cole BP), and I was sad to see it end.
>
> When I heard Reginald Hudlin was going to do another Black Panther book, once again I got excited about seeing one of my favorite heroes in action again. It was immediately evident that Hudlin's Panther lacked the political intrigue and sophisticated storylines of Priest. However his stories were enjoyable nonetheless, and entertainment is what comic books are for!
>
> Despite the vocal opposition to Hudlin's Black Panther, it is the 2nd most successful BP title ever with 29 issues and counting. WIth the brilliant moves of having T'challa marry Storm, and joining the Fantastic Four, I think Hudlin has a good chance of surpassing Priest's record run for the character. Personally I hope that he does, and will continue to give my $$$ to make this happen.


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