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Reverend Meteor


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I like him as Cap better than I like Cap in the comics \:\(

But he's been playing Cap for so long...as an actor he needs to go play someone else for the sake of his career IMO.





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little kon-el


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He's gone from the franchise, but not dead, right?


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D. Strange


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I figured he would be leaving, and Downey as well.

I just assumed all the replacement characters in the comics was to get out ahead of what was coming in the movies.


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Reverend Meteor


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    He's gone from the franchise, but not dead, right?


We don't know. Evans is doing Avengers 3 and 4 and then he's leaving. Cap might get killed off or he might pass the mantle on to Bucky or Falcon.







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Reverend Meteor


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    I figured he would be leaving, and Downey as well.



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    I just assumed all the replacement characters in the comics was to get out ahead of what was coming in the movies.


I think that was just bad writing...





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D. Strange


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    I think that was just bad writing...



Well, it WAS certainly bad, that much is for sure.


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Iron Man Unit 007


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With the power of either the time stone or reality stone, Steve gets reunited with Peggy Carter.

Either in the present with her having been restored to life, youth and health; or he is sent back to the past with a restored Peggy to live quiet lives while the original Peggy still helps create SHIELD and the original Cap is still on ice.

However for the MCU to start advancing more as a franchise it needs to leave behind Captain America and especially RDJ.




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Reverend Meteor


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    With the power of either the time stone or reality stone, Steve gets reunited with Peggy Carter.


ugh I hate that idea. Cap's a soldier. He should go down fighting. A lot of boys didn't get the happy ending in WW2.


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    Either in the present with her having been restored to life, youth and health; or he is sent back to the past with a restored Peggy to live quiet lives while the original Peggy still helps create SHIELD and the original Cap is still on ice.



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    However for the MCU to start advancing more as a franchise it needs to leave behind Captain America and especially RDJ.








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Vincent


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Centuries ago, Sean Connery said he would not return as James Bond after You Only live twice, and then the studios offered him lots of money and 2 movies, and he's in Diamonds are Forever. And then years later in a James Bond special, Never say never.

Daniel Craig said he would 'Slit his wrist' if he did another Bond movie, ...and he's coming back as Bond in the upcoming Bond movie.

Chris Evans leaving, okay. Marvel made 3 GREAT CAPTAIN AMERICA MOVIES. Cap's starring in 4 Avengers movies. Good Enough, it's been fun.

Now, slow down, let Cap float for years in comics and video shelves, ...maybe a CAPTAIN AMERICA Tv show, ...like Blade. And with a new generation of comic readers and fans, and movie goers, ...NEW Cap movies, NEW FXs, NEW stories and situations.

I'm hoping new life extension technology will keep me alive when a new wave of Marvel and Star Wars movies hit the world, ...or I'll reincarnate as a vibrant young man who'll enjoy these stuff centuries from now.


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D. Strange


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    ugh I hate that idea. Cap's a soldier. He should go down fighting. A lot of boys didn't get the happy ending in WW2.


Only 2.5% of American military personal died in WWII.

Which, while those deaths may be tragic, when you consider how brutal that war was, and that WWII was the single greatest loss of life in recorded history, and how many more our allies endured... those are pretty good numbers.

And I have always viewed Captain America less as a Soldier by mindset than by job.

Perhaps this is colored by my own experience with WWII vets, but I always thought he was sort o the perfect example of that generation.

He wanted to serve, he was proud to serve, but e wanted that life after the war. He just wasn't allowed it because of his responsibility.

Essentially making CAp a sort of tragic figure. No one more deserves the nice home and loving spouse on a quite street with 2.5 kids, more than Steve. The America Dream.

He just doesn't get it, because he has duties to fulfill, and that he can never walk away from.

This may be why I liked his relationship with Bernie Rosenthal so much. Yes, she was a very personable, and likable character. However she also focused on Steve Rogers, the man.

She didn't love Cap, she loved Steve. She was the hope for that peaceful life. She focused on a man... not an icon.


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      ugh I hate that idea. Cap's a soldier. He should go down fighting. A lot of boys didn't get the happy ending in WW2.



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    Only 2.5% of American military personal died in WWII.



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    Which, while those deaths may be tragic, when you consider how brutal that war was, and that WWII was the single greatest loss of life in recorded history, and how many more our allies endured... those are pretty good numbers.



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    And I have always viewed Captain America less as a Soldier by mindset than by job.



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    Perhaps this is colored by my own experience with WWII vets, but I always thought he was sort o the perfect example of that generation.



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    He wanted to serve, he was proud to serve, but e wanted that life after the war. He just wasn't allowed it because of his responsibility.



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    Essentially making CAp a sort of tragic figure. No one more deserves the nice home and loving spouse on a quite street with 2.5 kids, more than Steve. The America Dream.



I know this is unforgivable to say...but I think Steve brings it on himself. He could have had those things when he was de-iced. He chooses not to. He could even choose to settle down with a wife and children and still be a hero...but he doesn't. He puts being Cap over everything else in his life.

Does the world need Steve to be Cap or does Steve need to be Cap. I would say it's more the latter than the former.

So I don't want a happy ending for Steve where he settles down with a family. He's always ran from that.



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    He just doesn't get it, because he has duties to fulfill, and that he can never walk away from.



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    This may be why I liked his relationship with Bernie Rosenthal so much. Yes, she was a very personable, and likable character. However she also focused on Steve Rogers, the man.



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    She didn't love Cap, she loved Steve. She was the hope for that peaceful life. She focused on a man... not an icon.








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But doesn't it come down to the fact that he feels it's his duty and he can't accept the good life? I love the MCU Cap more than any other character, and he does represent the best of that generation. My grandfather was a WWII Marine that fought in the Pacific, lied about his age to join (he was 16) and saw more than his share of combat. For his entire lifetime after that he literally lived to serve. Anyone with any job, problem, situation he was involved and trying to assist.

Steve does that on the level he is at. He sees the wrongs and injustice and he just knows he has a responsibility to address it. Yes, that is a self imposed duty, but in the end there's nothing wrong with him finally getting the peace that is the reward for his sacrifice.

Maybe we'll get both.. Soldier's sacrifice but followed by a tiny piece of heaven. Just as Thor would be best suited to leave with Asgard rebuilt but needing him to bear the weight of the throne and appointing Val to watch over Midgard.




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D. Strange


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My grandfather was similar. There is a bit more of sifting at the root cause, since his father died when he was 14, making him the man of the house.

However, he was drafted a few months after Pearl Harbor, was offered a chance to finish his education, but turned it down because he wanted to serve his country.

He became a staple in the community, helping people of all sort in all relations. Including his mother-in-law (my Great Grandmother), who was none to fond of him.

Even fixed TVs for them, and his neighbors (along with other broken appliances).

Stayed active in helping raise money for veteran groups, through the American Legion. Sold poppies by the post office here in the lovely Detroit area, the spring/summer before he died... which was in 2017 just shy of 95.

The point is, WII was very unique among wars. In part because of the type of enemy, the sheer numbers needed, and the psychology caused by it and the Depression in the minds of its veterans (remember, many soldiers went from the breadline to the front line).

It is important to remember, that generation is the one who helped the Civil Rights movement occur. The bare bones facts are, if a whole lot of people from the GI generation hadn't backed it, things could have been even less smooth.

Now it is important to remember,, especially following my last point, your grandfather and I are just two of over 16 million people who served in the war. There were bound to be some crappy people.

But, I do think, by in large, if you look around WWII and the Depression created more of a sense of civic responsibility in that generation.

Voting numbers rose sharply for them, and remained high.

Cap... he can do what others can't. How do you walk away, when you are the best?


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D. Strange


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    I know this is unforgivable to say...but I think Steve brings it on himself. He could have had those things when he was de-iced. He chooses not to. He could even choose to settle down with a wife and children and still be a hero...but he doesn't. He puts being Cap over everything else in his life.

    Does the world need Steve to be Cap or does Steve need to be Cap. I would say it's more the latter than the former.

    So I don't want a happy ending for Steve where he settles down with a family. He's always ran from that.


I don't think CAp is ever given the credit he deserves for how complex and interesting of a character he is.

I find Steve Rogers the man much more interesting than Captain America the icon.

I have always figured that part of what Steve is comes from not only what he is, but what he was supposed to be.

He was supposed to be the first, not only Super Soldier.

Thing is, Steve is a really good decent guy. SO what does a good, decent guy do when suddenly he is all hats left? When he is THE chosen one instead of A chosen one?

He digs down deep, and becomes EVEN more decent. EVEN better. You are a symbol of what power SHOULD be, the ONLY symbol, you have to be the best you possible.

The best guy, with that much responsibility, he can't step aside. How could you?

You give until there is nothing inside to give.

Cap has had shades of melancholy since the 60s. Because that is the price of being the world's greatest hero. Doubt that you could have done better, and always wanting to make sure you are on the right side, in the grandest picture imaginable.

One of my favorite Cap scenes ever is when he questions himself in a 5 page monologue in Cap #122.

Does Steve need to be CAp? I don't think so. Does CAp need to think he is doing the most he can? Absolutely.

So as I said, I will never get that happy ending, because there is always more to do. And that is why he is a tragic character.


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USAgentfan


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Just because Evans might be done doesnt mean Cap is.

There's a lot more great stories to tell, and I'm sure there's an actor good enough to play the role of Cap in them.

As for Cap the character, I recall in House of M when the heroes who regained their memory were putting together a resistance and they left Rogers where he was because he finally found the peace he deserved.

I think the ideal solution is a world where Steve no longer feels he is needed as Cap. Where he can be Steve Rogers the astronaut, or Steve rogers the President, or just Steve rogers the nice guy who lives next door to you.


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MysteryMan


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    Just because Evans might be done doesnt mean Cap is.



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    There's a lot more great stories to tell, and I'm sure there's an actor good enough to play the role of Cap in them.



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    As for Cap the character, I recall in House of M when the heroes who regained their memory were putting together a resistance and they left Rogers where he was because he finally found the peace he deserved.



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    I think the ideal solution is a world where Steve no longer feels he is needed as Cap. Where he can be Steve Rogers the astronaut, or Steve rogers the President, or just Steve rogers the nice guy who lives next door to you.


And really if James Bond can have 5 different actors so can these heroes...in time.


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