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Maestro




This being scans from the next issue of Super girl as well as continuing from below.

These pretty much clear up which of the two Kryptonians (Supes and Supergirl) is stronger and faster.

I've got to give Batman credit too. Here he is facing down an evil Kryptonian who could kill him in a millisecond before "back up" arrives and yet he doesn't bat an eyelid. Huge pair of balls on Bats I tell ya. \:\-D

Quote of the night:
"I'll never understand why someone hasn't just killed you... you're only a man dressed up in a BAT costume !"


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gumbo




Not really; its even referencing the other theory within this comic its just offering a rival theory to that one which Supergirl doubts the validity of herself.

Which doesn't make it a wrong theory but it doesn't actually settle anything, even within the comic itself.




> This being scans from the next issue of Super girl as well as continuing from below.
>
> These pretty much clear up which of the two Kryptonians (Supes and Supergirl) is stronger and faster.
>
> I've got to give Batman credit too. Here he is facing down an evil Kryptonian who could kill him in a millisecond before "back up" arrives and yet he doesn't bat an eyelid. Huge pair of balls on Bats I tell ya. \:\-D
>
> Quote of the night:
> "I'll never understand why someone hasn't just killed you... you're only a man dressed up in a BAT costume !"


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Maestro




> Not really; its even referencing the other theory within this comic its just offering a rival theory to that one which Supergirl doubts the validity of herself.
>
> Which doesn't make it a wrong theory but it doesn't actually settle anything, even within the comic itself.
>

True, but this is the way I look at it (and I believe this is what Supes was trying to say as well). Solar energy absorbed over time is what makes Kryptonians so strong. Supes has been exposed to it from an infant to an adult which is over 30 plus years. Super Girl on the other hand was exposed as a teenager which means she could absorb it a faster rate than a baby but her exposure time has only been a few years (maybe even less since her ship was stuck in the middle of an Asteroid for part of the trip to Earth). Since Superman has had the longest overall exposure then he theoretically should be the stronger but has just been holding back (according to him) when dealing with Super girl. Thats just my opinion... I could be wrong.

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> > This being scans from the next issue of Super girl as well as continuing from below.
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> > These pretty much clear up which of the two Kryptonians (Supes and Supergirl) is stronger and faster.
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> > I've got to give Batman credit too. Here he is facing down an evil Kryptonian who could kill him in a millisecond before "back up" arrives and yet he doesn't bat an eyelid. Huge pair of balls on Bats I tell ya. \:\-D
> >
> > Quote of the night:
> > "I'll never understand why someone hasn't just killed you... you're only a man dressed up in a BAT costume !"


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Concordant




> I've got to give Batman credit too.

Well, something deserves to be credited here... my vote goes to bad writing.

> Here he is facing down an evil Kryptonian who could kill him in a millisecond...

Yeah. Exactly.

In a millisecond. There is no plausible way for him to have survived. It should have been over the moment she moved to within striking range.

Hello? If you can move faster than a speeding bullet why on Earth would you have to freeze the legs of a guy who moves at a glacier's pace compared to you to keep him from moving? Heh, only in a comic book could Bats avoid being splattered across the docks from one easy super-speed punch... ;-p

Yeah, I know superheroes do it all the time, yadda, yadda, yadda... but I would hope for better writing in this day and age (read: at the very least Bats having a better plan than that...).

C.




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chen




Hmmm, from what I gathered in these scans is Supes only started getting his powers when he was 16 or so, so all the time he spent under Earths Sun before really doesn't matter (perhaps at that age his body started storing and changing the solor rays). It's his upbringing that makes him hold back unlike Kara but if he did ever let lose he would be more powerful than her.

But this brings up some interesting points, if Kryptonians only develop their powers under a yellow sun at around age 16. Then Kara only absorbed yellow rays from age 16 to however old she is now. So Supes should be stronger due to longer exposeur ( from 16 to...just how old is Supes in the comics anyway), but if those solar panels somehow gave concentrated solar rays then she might be more powerful.


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Shouldn't anytime either of them lost their powers from exposure to a red sun reset the 'yellow sun' counter? Anyways, this explaination seems pretty silly to me. If superman has been constantly and continually absorbing more and more energy without hitting a 'high level mark' then shouldn't he be growing constantly more and more powerful by the minute?

What's with Sundipping? Can sups lower his 'sun ray count' by overextending himself?

It seems silly to me. I'd always assumed sups had a certain level of energy he could hold. More was bled off unless he did something like a sun dip. Seems to make sense.


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chen




How people who work out constantly stop for awhile but can get back into shape much faster than someone who never worked out because he/she's body is used to the excercise and has become more efficient at growing. Perhaps Supes body over time has become so efficient at absorbing solar rays(even more than Kara's)that exposeur to red sunlight effects him less and less and he can regain his powers very quickly. But he should have a peak or limit on how much he can absorb and convert (100% efficiency) baring a sundipp or some other plot device.


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Lord Majestros




> > Not really; its even referencing the other theory within this comic its just offering a rival theory to that one which Supergirl doubts the validity of herself.
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> > Which doesn't make it a wrong theory but it doesn't actually settle anything, even within the comic itself.
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> True, but this is the way I look at it (and I believe this is what Supes was trying to say as well). Solar energy absorbed over time is what makes Kryptonians so strong. Supes has been exposed to it from an infant to an adult which is over 30 plus years. Super Girl on the other hand was exposed as a teenager which means she could absorb it a faster rate than a baby but her exposure time has only been a few years (maybe even less since her ship was stuck in the middle of an Asteroid for part of the trip to Earth). Since Superman has had the longest overall exposure then he theoretically should be the stronger but has just been holding back (according to him) when dealing with Super girl. Thats just my opinion... I could be wrong.
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Lord Majestros:
Kara's ship had a yellow solar energy projector on it. We can't say for sure how much of the time that she was on the ship (from when Krypton exploded until she landed on earth) that her body was exposed to the solar energy, but she was definitely exposed prior to landing on earth as she had full powers when she first came out of the ship. Also, she was exposed to concentrated, unfiltered solar radiation as there was nothing to filter any of it on the ship. Also, her body wasn't expending her solar reserves as much since she was in suspended animation.


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Maestro




> > > Not really; its even referencing the other theory within this comic its just offering a rival theory to that one which Supergirl doubts the validity of herself.
> > >
> > > Which doesn't make it a wrong theory but it doesn't actually settle anything, even within the comic itself.
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> >
> > True, but this is the way I look at it (and I believe this is what Supes was trying to say as well). Solar energy absorbed over time is what makes Kryptonians so strong. Supes has been exposed to it from an infant to an adult which is over 30 plus years. Super Girl on the other hand was exposed as a teenager which means she could absorb it a faster rate than a baby but her exposure time has only been a few years (maybe even less since her ship was stuck in the middle of an Asteroid for part of the trip to Earth). Since Superman has had the longest overall exposure then he theoretically should be the stronger but has just been holding back (according to him) when dealing with Super girl. Thats just my opinion... I could be wrong.
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> Lord Majestros:
> Kara's ship had a yellow solar energy projector on it. We can't say for sure how much of the time that she was on the ship (from when Kryton exploded until she landed on earth) that her body was exposed to the solar energy, but she was definitely exposed prior to landing on earth as she had full powers when she first came out of the ship. Also, she was exposed to concentrated, unfiltered solar radiation as there was nothing to filter any of it on the ship. Also, her body wasn't expending her solar reserves as much since she was in suspended animation.

But does that make up for the 15 plus years of absorption that Supes would have had from age 16 (assuming that is the age that solar absorption starts for Kryptonians) ?


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dvlish





> Well, something deserves to be credited here... my vote goes to bad writing.
>
> > Here he is facing down an evil Kryptonian who could kill him in a millisecond...
>
> Yeah. Exactly.
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> In a millisecond. There is no plausible way for him to have survived. It should have been over the moment she moved to within striking range.
>

I agree. She was able to take John's GL ring without him even noticing and match the Flash's speed but yet Batman can draw out a concealed weapon AND use it on her while she's standing a couple of feet away.. that's pretty bad writing.

> Hello? If you can move faster than a speeding bullet why on Earth would you have to freeze the legs of a guy who moves at a glacier's pace compared to you to keep him from moving? Heh, only in a comic book could Bats avoid being splattered across the docks from one easy super-speed punch... ;-p
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lol very true.. the irony of it is that she herself was wondering why no one has killed Bats already, yet she could have killed him twenty times over within a single panel.


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> Shouldn't anytime either of them lost their powers from exposure to a red sun reset the 'yellow sun' counter? Anyways, this explaination seems pretty silly to me. If superman has been constantly and continually absorbing more and more energy without hitting a 'high level mark' then shouldn't he be growing constantly more and more powerful by the minute?
>
> What's with Sundipping? Can sups lower his 'sun ray count' by overextending himself?
>
> It seems silly to me. I'd always assumed sups had a certain level of energy he could hold. More was bled off unless he did something like a sun dip. Seems to make sense.

You also have to factor in the times he had his energy drained by someone like the Parasite or Major Force.

Or that fight he had with DDay where he basically went comatose and people thought he was dead.

Supergirl both never exerted her powers so as to use energy nor had her powers drained and had a constant influx of solar energy without it going through the ozone layer.

On the flip side Superman has done a sun dip before and had that storyline where he was absorbing so much energy he was hulk-like in purportions.


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Lord Majestros




> > > > Not really; its even referencing the other theory within this comic its just offering a rival theory to that one which Supergirl doubts the validity of herself.
> > > >
> > > > Which doesn't make it a wrong theory but it doesn't actually settle anything, even within the comic itself.
> > > >
> > >
> > > True, but this is the way I look at it (and I believe this is what Supes was trying to say as well). Solar energy absorbed over time is what makes Kryptonians so strong. Supes has been exposed to it from an infant to an adult which is over 30 plus years. Super Girl on the other hand was exposed as a teenager which means she could absorb it a faster rate than a baby but her exposure time has only been a few years (maybe even less since her ship was stuck in the middle of an Asteroid for part of the trip to Earth). Since Superman has had the longest overall exposure then he theoretically should be the stronger but has just been holding back (according to him) when dealing with Super girl. Thats just my opinion... I could be wrong.
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> > Lord Majestros:
> > Kara's ship had a yellow solar energy projector on it. We can't say for sure how much of the time that she was on the ship (from when Kryton exploded until she landed on earth) that her body was exposed to the solar energy, but she was definitely exposed prior to landing on earth as she had full powers when she first came out of the ship. Also, she was exposed to concentrated, unfiltered solar radiation as there was nothing to filter any of it on the ship. Also, her body wasn't expending her solar reserves as much since she was in suspended animation.
>
> But does that make up for the 15 plus years of absorption that Supes would have had from age 16 (assuming that is the age that solar absorption starts for Kryptonians) ?

Lord Majestros:
it's POSSIBLE that she was exposed to direct, unfiltered solar radiation the entire time she was in the ship. She was in the ship from the time Krypton exploded until she landed on earth. So, at a minimum she was in the ship the 30+ years Supes has been on earth. So, POTENTIALLY she has a max of 30+ years of unfiltered sunlight exposure. Also, don't forget, she was physically around the same age she is now when she left Krypton. In the current continuity Kara was a teen when Krypton exploded while Kal was a baby (she was actually supposed to take care of). Even if solar energy wasn't constant and was only used to "feed" her, that's a LOT of exposure. Finally, I don't think that Kryptonians have to be quite as old to develop powers as Supes did in older continuity, the kid that has shown up in the Superman books that is from Krypton (Zod's son) is physically younger than Kara and he already has powers.


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J





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> I agree. She was able to take John's GL ring without him even noticing and match the Flash's speed but yet Batman can draw out a concealed weapon AND use it on her while she's standing a couple of feet away.. that's pretty bad writing.

She didnt match Flashs speed. He ran after her and caught up with her.

> > Hello? If you can move faster than a speeding bullet why on Earth would you have to freeze the legs of a guy who moves at a glacier's pace compared to you to keep him from moving? Heh, only in a comic book could Bats avoid being splattered across the docks from one easy super-speed punch... ;-p
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> lol very true.. the irony of it is that she herself was wondering why no one has killed Bats already, yet she could have killed him twenty times over within a single panel.


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Bootch




> Yeah, I know superheroes do it all the time, yadda, yadda, yadda... but I would hope for better writing in this day and age (read: at the very least Bats having a better plan than that...).

You'd think the "most dangerous man in the world" and one of the smartest would have a better plan when fighting someone who could effectively sneeze you to death. Heck, if he teamed up with Lex Luthor he could probably have taken them all down - no prep!


* Isn't that was Supes called Bats during the White Martian invasion?


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