Author Tongan Giant Subject: JLA & JSA versus Annihilation [Re: Grubs]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 06:45:56 pm EST All current versions of each character:-Stardust versus SupermanFirelord versus Green Lantern HalSilver Surfer versus Dr FateDrax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & HawkmanSuper Nova versus Captain MarvelSuper Skrull versus Martian ManhunterRonan versus Power GirlRed Shift versus Wonder Woman Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Incriptus Subject: Re: JLA & JSA versus Annihilation [Re: Tongan Giant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:03:26 pm EST > All current versions of each character:-> > > Stardust versus SupermanLikely a very competive match-up, I favor Stardust ever so slightly> Firelord versus Green Lantern HalLikely Jordan, although firelord has a respectable shot> Silver Surfer versus Dr FateFate . . . current surfer is barely consious ;-P> Drax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & HawkmanTeam 1> Super Nova versus Captain Marvelprobably super nova> Super Skrull versus Martian ManhunterNot sure where MM is at mentally these days . . . a hardcore super skrull beats a pacifist MM but . . . an incompitent MM beats the incompitent SS (aka the normal versions of each ;-p) and an angry disgruntled MM beats an angry disgruntled SS . . . so the martian should win the majority.> Ronan versus Power Girlpretty much the same as above> Red Shift versus Wonder WomanWonder Woman, unless there is something weird going on with her currently Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: Re: JLA & JSA versus Annihilation [Re: Tongan Giant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:16:46 pm EST > All current versions of each character:-> > > Stardust versus SupermanStardust, Supes doesn't have to powerset to effectively fight him and would need some sort of plot device to beat him. > Firelord versus Green Lantern HalMy money's on Hal, but only just.> Silver Surfer versus Dr FateWhich version of Fate?> Drax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & HawkmanDCers.> Super Nova versus Captain MarvelSuper Nova. > Super Skrull versus Martian ManhunterMM, but in a good one. If the SS played it smart, he would definitely take a few.> Ronan versus Power GirlRonan, if he pulls out all the stops with his UW, otherwise PG will take it.> Red Shift versus Wonder WomanWhat are RS's main abilities again...?C Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: Re: JLA & JSA versus Annihilation [Re: Incriptus]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:21:12 pm EST > > All current versions of each character:-> > > > > > Stardust versus Superman> > Likely a very competive match-up, I favor Stardust ever so slightlyWhat could Supes do to Stardust though, really? Heat and cold aren't going to bother him and he's going to regenerate any physical damage he takes almost instantly. On the other hand, Supes is going to eat planet-levelling cosmic power that he's not going just be able to shrug off...I can't see 'dust losing this fight outside of a plot device.C. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP Incriptus Subject: I am probably alone on this . . . But I doubt Dust's so call invulnerbility [Re: Concordant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:32:55 pm EST > > > All current versions of each character:-> > > > > > > > > Stardust versus Superman> > > > Likely a very competive match-up, I favor Stardust ever so slightly> > What could Supes do to Stardust though, really? > > Heat and cold aren't going to bother him and he's going to regenerate any physical damage he takes almost instantly. On the other hand, Supes is going to eat planet-levelling cosmic power that he's not going just be able to shrug off...> > I can't see 'dust losing this fight outside of a plot device.Now I freely admit that Superman is not Asteroth . . . but Asteroth's eye beams clearly hurt stardust, Asteroths claws (although there did seem to be an energy effect there as well) clearly hurt stardust . . . Hell dust was clearly leaking energy when she got her arm bit off and it did take a few panels to reform. Personally I think she was bluffing when she said that BRB would never be able to destroy that body, I mean how many times has a villian made that claim.". . . of a plot device" --- Heck that statement alone almost assures a superman victory Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Drax the Legend Subject: Excuse me, but... [Re: Concordant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:37:45 pm EST > > Drax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & Hawkman> > DCers.> D- :-@ -Cers??? Either Drax or Gamora alone could destroy them, me thinks ;-> . What could they possibly have in their arsenal that would even faze the duo :-?? How would they withstand even one attack from either :-?? Inquiring minds want to know!Drax the Legend, Captain of the Fist, The Starwalker, The Jade Slayer Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Drax the Legend Subject: It's a "he", ya mook! :-P NT [Re: Incriptus]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:40:04 pm EST > > > > All current versions of each character:-> > > > > > > > > > > > Stardust versus Superman> > > > > > Likely a very competive match-up, I favor Stardust ever so slightly> > > > What could Supes do to Stardust though, really? > > > > Heat and cold aren't going to bother him and he's going to regenerate any physical damage he takes almost instantly. On the other hand, Supes is going to eat planet-levelling cosmic power that he's not going just be able to shrug off...> > > > I can't see 'dust losing this fight outside of a plot device.> > Now I freely admit that Superman is not Asteroth . . . but Asteroth's eye beams clearly hurt stardust, Asteroths claws (although there did seem to be an energy effect there as well) clearly hurt stardust . . . Hell dust was clearly leaking energy when she got her arm bit off and it did take a few panels to reform. Personally I think she was bluffing when she said that BRB would never be able to destroy that body, I mean how many times has a villian made that claim.> > ". . . of a plot device" --- Heck that statement alone almost assures a superman victory Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Drax the Legend Subject: Re: JLA & JSA versus Annihilation [Re: Tongan Giant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:43:37 pm EST > All current versions of each character:-> > > Stardust versus Superman> Contrary to what Incriptus believes, I do think that Stardust is immune to physical harm(at least the class 100 variety ), so...> Firelord versus Green Lantern Hal> Firelord, barring some uber-ring plot device...> Silver Surfer versus Dr Fate> Surfer beats Hector(without Nabu).> Drax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & Hawkman> Either one slaughters the DC guys...> Super Nova versus Captain Marvel> Presumably, SN...> Super Skrull versus Martian Manhunter> What Incriptus said...> Ronan versus Power Girl> Non E2 PG would propably lose to Annihilation Ronan a majority... > Red Shift versus Wonder Woman> Red ShiftDrax the Legend, Captain of the Fist, The Starwalker, The Jade Slayer Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: Re: Excuse me, but... [Re: Drax the Legend]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:50:34 pm EST > > > Drax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & Hawkman> > > > DCers.> > > > D- :-@ -Cers??? Either Drax or Gamora alone could destroy them, me thinks ;-> . What could they possibly have in their arsenal that would even faze the duo :-?? How would they withstand even one attack from either :-?? Inquiring minds want to know!A-list Batman - Mr. Walking Plot Device himself? Hawkman and Wildcat keep the duo busy just long enough for Bats comes up with... something... plot devicey to win the day. Come on, you know that's what will happen. C. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP Incriptus Subject: Courtesy of the Nova Corps Files . . . I win again :-D [Re: Drax the Legend]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 09:52:11 pm EST Her Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: Re: I am probably alone on this . . . But I doubt Dust's so call invulnerbility [Re: Incriptus]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 10:12:56 pm EST > > > > All current versions of each character:-> > > > > > > > > > > > Stardust versus Superman> > > > > > Likely a very competive match-up, I favor Stardust ever so slightly> > > > What could Supes do to Stardust though, really? > > > > Heat and cold aren't going to bother him and he's going to regenerate any physical damage he takes almost instantly. On the other hand, Supes is going to eat planet-levelling cosmic power that he's not going just be able to shrug off...> > > > I can't see 'dust losing this fight outside of a plot device.> > Now I freely admit that Superman is not Asteroth . . . but Asteroth's eye beams clearly hurt stardust, Asteroths claws (although there did seem to be an energy effect there as well) clearly hurt stardust . . . Hell dust was clearly leaking energy when she got her arm bit off and it did take a few panels to reform. Personally I think she was bluffing when she said that BRB would never be able to destroy that body, I mean how many times has a villian made that claim.Well, I don't buy that he's invincible either but it would definitely take something that could disrupt his energy body to do it. And keep in mind... Stardust did infact survive all of that including a trip through a black hole and still kept on truckin'! Being hurt by a "cosmic demon" who was casually blowing up planets left, right and center is, well... nothing to be ashamed of. > ". . . of a plot device" --- Heck that statement alone almost assures a superman victory Heh. Remember though - he's Superman, not Batman. If Mr. Plot Device himself were there to help him... well, that's a different story. C. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP Incriptus Subject: Blackholes are like the wonderman of cosmic phenomenon [Re: Concordant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 10:35:10 pm EST > > > > > All current versions of each character:-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stardust versus Superman> > > > > > > > Likely a very competive match-up, I favor Stardust ever so slightly> > > > > > What could Supes do to Stardust though, really? > > > > > > Heat and cold aren't going to bother him and he's going to regenerate any physical damage he takes almost instantly. On the other hand, Supes is going to eat planet-levelling cosmic power that he's not going just be able to shrug off...> > > > > > I can't see 'dust losing this fight outside of a plot device.> > > > Now I freely admit that Superman is not Asteroth . . . but Asteroth's eye beams clearly hurt stardust, Asteroths claws (although there did seem to be an energy effect there as well) clearly hurt stardust . . . Hell dust was clearly leaking energy when she got her arm bit off and it did take a few panels to reform. Personally I think she was bluffing when she said that BRB would never be able to destroy that body, I mean how many times has a villian made that claim.> > Well, I don't buy that he's invincible either but it would definitely take something that could disrupt his energy body to do it. > > And keep in mind... Stardust did infact survive all of that including a trip through a black hole and still kept on truckin'! Being hurt by a "cosmic demon" who was casually blowing up planets left, right and center is, well... nothing to be ashamed of. although Wonderman does suck just a little more than your average blackhole . . . but yeah, Stardust is tough, but I think superman could crack him\her\it, although I guess i was being a little generous to superman, as he does tend to win alot.> > ". . . of a plot device" --- Heck that statement alone almost assures a superman victory > > Heh. Remember though - he's Superman, not Batman. If Mr. Plot Device himself were there to help him... well, that's a different story. well that goes without saying> C. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: Bah! Bah I say! In Stormbreaker, Stardust is referred to as "HE"! NT [Re: Incriptus]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 10:57:00 pm EST Him! Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP bd2999 Subject: Stardust is male, its just sort of an inside fight... [Re: Concordant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 11:41:29 pm EST Oeming says he's male, Stardust's creator, but Giffen said in a few interviews Stardust was a chick, but seemed to be joking about it. It caught on to one degree or another, but even Andy Schmidt, editor of Annihilation, says Stardust is male. Its just a typo. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP bd2999 Subject: Re: JLA & JSA versus Annihilation [Re: Tongan Giant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 11:45:35 pm EST > All current versions of each character:-> > > Stardust versus Superman Stardust should considering his resistance to physical harm, energy attacks and raw might, but in a story Superman likely would through some plot device. I favor Stardust though. > > Firelord versus Green Lantern Hal Firelord, unless its a very high Hal showing. > > Silver Surfer versus Dr Fate Surfer beats most mages, he is to fast and powerful. > > Drax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & Hawkman Marvel team. Gamora beats Bats and Wildcat alone. Drax likely could too. > > Super Nova versus Captain Marvel Nova> > Super Skrull versus Martian Manhunter SS is a monster now. > > Ronan versus Power Girl Depends on PG, all but the most powerful lose to Ronan.> > Red Shift versus Wonder Woman Wonder Woman. Red Shift is not a very impressive herald. Its still not a cake walk, but she wins. > Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Drax the Legend Subject: Bah, even if they jobbed like heck, Hawkman and Wildcat would... [Re: Concordant]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 11:47:46 pm EST ... still fall like a sack of potatoes before one sec passed, I tells ya! Drax the Legend, Captain of the Fist, The Starwalker, The Jade Slayer Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: Ha! [Re: Drax the Legend]Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 11:58:49 pm EST > > ... still fall like a sack of potatoes before one sec passed, I tells ya! C'mon, a few bat-flash and bat-stun grenades to put them off-balance, followed by bat-gas bombs and a couple o' bat-kicks to thier solar plexi and they're going down. C. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: Case Closed! :-D NT [Re: bd2999]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:01:40 am EST > Oeming says he's male, Stardust's creator, but Giffen said in a few interviews Stardust was a chick, but seemed to be joking about it. It caught on to one degree or another, but even Andy Schmidt, editor of Annihilation, says Stardust is male. Its just a typo. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP Drax the Legend Subject: Think again... [Re: Incriptus]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:02:49 am EST Yes, yes... you could claim that the Nova Corps "obviously were mistaken in that first entry and that they updated it in the new database", but, guess what... la, la, la -not listening- la, la, la....Drax the Legend, Captain of the Fist, The Starwalker, The Jade Slayer Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Drax the Legend Subject: When you put it like that... ;--P NT [Re: Concordant]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:06:27 am EST > > > > ... still fall like a sack of potatoes before one sec passed, I tells ya! > > C'mon, a few bat-flash and bat-stun grenades to put them off-balance, followed by bat-gas bombs and a couple o' bat-kicks to thier solar plexi and they're going down. > > C. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Xero Subject: Oeming said Stardust was female, and I think he'd know. :) NT [Re: Drax the Legend]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:25:08 am EST > > > > > All current versions of each character:-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stardust versus Superman> > > > > > > > Likely a very competive match-up, I favor Stardust ever so slightly> > > > > > What could Supes do to Stardust though, really? > > > > > > Heat and cold aren't going to bother him and he's going to regenerate any physical damage he takes almost instantly. On the other hand, Supes is going to eat planet-levelling cosmic power that he's not going just be able to shrug off...> > > > > > I can't see 'dust losing this fight outside of a plot device.> > > > Now I freely admit that Superman is not Asteroth . . . but Asteroth's eye beams clearly hurt stardust, Asteroths claws (although there did seem to be an energy effect there as well) clearly hurt stardust . . . Hell dust was clearly leaking energy when she got her arm bit off and it did take a few panels to reform. Personally I think she was bluffing when she said that BRB would never be able to destroy that body, I mean how many times has a villian made that claim.> > > > ". . . of a plot device" --- Heck that statement alone almost assures a superman victory Posted with Apple Safari on MacOS X Xero Subject: Re: Stardust is male, its just sort of an inside fight... [Re: bd2999]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:31:54 am EST http://www.comicboards.com/surfer/view.php?rpl=060707160958Giffen says Oeming told him Stardust was female. Posted with Apple Safari on MacOS X Incriptus Subject: As far as I can tell, just skimmed through it [Re: Concordant]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 01:05:03 am EST There was no direct reference to stardust's gender in Stormbreaker (and if i could be proven wrong Drax probably would have done so by now). But come on, think about Morg is a guys name . . . Terrax is a guys name . . . Firelord is a guys name . . . Stardust is a chicks name, (or atleast a stage name ).Plus you seem to be forgetting something very important . . . Incriptus is always right, if we stick with that basic premise we can accomplish alot around here Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: That's what you get for skimming... :-D [Re: Incriptus]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 02:23:18 am EST > There was no direct reference to stardust's gender in Stormbreaker (and if i could be proven wrong Drax probably would have done so by now). Who needs Drax... >:-D Read again where Stardust opens the portal to summon Asteroth, Bill refers to SD as, you guessed it, HE in the following panel. But come on, think about Morg is a guys name . . . Terrax is a guys name . . . Firelord is a guys name . . . Stardust is a chicks name, (or atleast a stage name ).I like to think of it as more "gender neutral"... like Bobby. > Plus you seem to be forgetting something very important . . . Incriptus is always right, if we stick with that basic premise we can accomplish alot around here Damn, I'm going to have to unravel that little world you live in Incrip! Cheers!C. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP Mephisto Subject: Mephisto whoops em'all.Mephisto rules ALL,Everything.THAT'S case closed. [Re: Tongan Giant]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 08:55:36 am EST > All current versions of each character:-> > > Stardust versus Superman> > Firelord versus Green Lantern Hal> > Silver Surfer versus Dr Fate> > Drax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & Hawkman> > Super Nova versus Captain Marvel> > Super Skrull versus Martian Manhunter> > Ronan versus Power Girl> > Red Shift versus Wonder Woman> Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows 98 Incriptus Subject: Ah crapple you're right . . . my entire world is asunder [Re: Concordant]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 09:39:02 am EST > > There was no direct reference to stardust's gender in Stormbreaker (and if i could be proven wrong Drax probably would have done so by now). > > Who needs Drax... >:-D > > Read again where Stardust opens the portal to summon Asteroth, Bill refers to SD as, you guessed it, HE in the following panel. Bah what would bill know about cosmic alien genders . . . yeah that's it, bill was mistaken, not me . . . not me !!!!! > But come on, think about Morg is a guys name . . . Terrax is a guys name . . . Firelord is a guys name . . . Stardust is a chicks name, (or atleast a stage name ).> > I like to think of it as more "gender neutral"... like Bobby. >> > Plus you seem to be forgetting something very important . . . Incriptus is always right, if we stick with that basic premise we can accomplish alot around here > > Damn, I'm going to have to unravel that little world you live in Incrip! I am undone . . . of course it does remind me how Stardust was clearly harmed, massively leaking energy after bill hit him with the round the world hammer shot, to the point where stardust was desperate enough to call upon forces beyond his control. > Cheers!> > C. Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Drax the Legend Subject: Wait, wait...I wan' some of that "own-Incriptus" action myself!!! Let's see... [Re: Incriptus]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 09:59:25 am EST > Bah what would bill know about cosmic alien genders . . . yeah that's it, bill was mistaken, not me . . . not me !!!!! > Be that as it may, when Bill was transported to that whitey-white place after their fight with Asteroth, dem all-knowing voices clearly referred to Stardust as a "he"... Damn, I'm good >:-D !> I am undone . . . of course it does remind me how Stardust was clearly harmed, massively leaking energy after bill hit him with the round the world hammer shot, to the point where stardust was desperate enough to call upon forces beyond his control.> He did so because he wanted to make Bill suffer monumentally for his effrontery(damaging his damageable form)... damn horseface, thinks he can hurt a heralds ego and get away with it X-P .That's it, pwned again ! Drax the Legend, Captain of the Fist, The Starwalker, The Jade Slayer Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Incriptus Subject: NOOOOO!!!!!! not again . . . I surrender [Re: Drax the Legend]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 10:59:44 am EST So stardust was a He . . . operative word being was - RETCON GENDER PUNCH Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Drax the Legend Subject: Wait, wait...I can still get a few shots in!!! Check out... [Re: Incriptus]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 01:09:59 pm EST > So stardust was a He . . . > > operative word being was - RETCON GENDER PUNCH This solicitation:ANNIHILATION: HERALDS OF GALACTUS - TERRAX/STARDUST Written by CHRISTOS GAGE & STUART MOORE Penciled by GIUSEPPE CAMUNCOLI & MIKE MCKONE Cover by GABRIELE DELL'OTTO After being captured, enslaved and made a pawn of Annihilus, Terrax has broken free...only to crash-land on a planet ruled by the Space Parasite! Facing an enemy who can absorb his cosmic power, will Terrax assume the fearsome role of The Tamer once again...or has the trauma of his enslavement broken his once-mighty spirit? PLUS! Stardust is dead. But what was he? Who was he? And is he really gone? Find out in this all-new tale featuring Galactus' newest herald! Book 1 (of 2) 64 PGS./Rated A...$3.99 Oh, oh, I'm good! Retcon-smetcon! Ha >:-D ! Drax the Legend, Captain of the Fist, The Starwalker, The Jade Slayer Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Concordant Subject: Nice "coup de grace" Drax... : D NT [Re: Drax the Legend]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 01:15:25 pm EST > > So stardust was a He . . . > > > > operative word being was - RETCON GENDER PUNCH > > > This solicitation:> > ANNIHILATION: HERALDS OF GALACTUS - TERRAX/STARDUST > Written by CHRISTOS GAGE & STUART MOORE > Penciled by GIUSEPPE CAMUNCOLI & MIKE MCKONE > Cover by GABRIELE DELL'OTTO > After being captured, enslaved and made a pawn of Annihilus, Terrax has broken free...only to crash-land on a planet ruled by the Space Parasite! Facing an enemy who can absorb his cosmic power, will Terrax assume the fearsome role of The Tamer once again...or has the trauma of his enslavement broken his once-mighty spirit? > PLUS! Stardust is dead. But what was he? Who was he? And is he really gone? Find out in this all-new tale featuring Galactus' newest herald! Book 1 (of 2) > 64 PGS./Rated A...$3.99 > > > Oh, oh, I'm good! Retcon-smetcon! Ha >:-D ! > > > Drax the Legend, Captain of the Fist, The Starwalker, The Jade Slayer Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP VaderTime Subject: Re: JLA & JSA versus Annihilation [Re: Tongan Giant]Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 04:04:43 pm EST > All current versions of each character:-> > > Stardust versus SupermanStardust. Can't see Kal doing a whole lot of damage to him. Just a bad match-up for Supes.> Firelord versus Green Lantern HalThe jobber Herald jobs yet again. > Silver Surfer versus Dr FateI'd still probably classic Surfer over classic Fate, but I'm definitely going with Uber-Surfer vs. the current, direction-less Fate.> Drax & Gamora versus Batman, Wildcat & HawkmanThis fight is over in less time it took me to right this sentence. Draz & Gamora DESTROY the puny humans.> Super Nova versus Captain MarvelSuper-Nova. Especially over Freddy. Just a bit too much power for him.> Super Skrull versus Martian ManhunterCurrent determined SS beats current psycho MM. Classic MM beats classic SS.> Ronan versus Power GirlDid PG ever get re-powered? If not, she might struggle with this fight. > Red Shift versus Wonder WomanRed Shift. Sorry, I just don't see her beating heralds on a regular basis.Annihilation wins big, as one would expect given the uber cosmic types they have. Posted with Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Windows XP