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nightman




since superman of jla/avengers easily defeated him and had trouble with thor. Be that as it may, how will wonderman fare in battle against the thing, big barda and current she hulk? Individual battles.


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The Pumpkinhead




> since superman of jla/avengers easily defeated him and had trouble with thor. Be that as it may, how will wonderman fare in battle against the thing, big barda and current she hulk? Individual battles.

I also think he wins all of these battles.


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nightman




then why did supes have so little trouble defeating wonderman and not thor? Supes barely beat thor. Why do you think he wins all those fights? I see she hulk giving him major trouble.


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Lord Majestros




> then why did supes have so little trouble defeating wonderman and not thor? Supes barely beat thor. Why do you think he wins all those fights? I see she hulk giving him major trouble.

Lord Majestros:
Wonderman was pounding on GL's shield and Supes grabbed his arm from behind and threw him across the city they were in, GL then grabbed the artifact they were after and the two were teleported out almost immediately. Are you talking about another part of the story?


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rukkdeez




> > then why did supes have so little trouble defeating wonderman and not thor? Supes barely beat thor. Why do you think he wins all those fights? I see she hulk giving him major trouble.
>
> Lord Majestros:
> Wonderman was pounding on GL's shield and Supes grabbed his arm from behind and threw him across the city they were in, GL then grabbed the artifact they were after and the two were teleported out almost immediately. Are you talking about another part of the story?

No he isn't. You know and I know (and so does he) that the scene you're speaking of was the only time during the crossover that Supes and Wondy even crossed paths. This is yet another unreasonable point of view. If anything, it can be argued that Supes suckered Wondy. Simon practically didn't even know he got tossed away BY Superman! I agree with you. That CANNOT constitute a "defeat" for Wonderman any more than someone getting ambushed and pounded on to the point of unconciousness without getting a word(or blow) in edgewise.


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nightman




supes threw him across the city knocking wonderman out.


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nightman




i don't think supes sucker punched wonderman at all; simon knew it was him that tossed him across the city putting him out of action.


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Daveym




> i don't think supes sucker punched wonderman at all; simon knew it was him that tossed him across the city putting him out of action.

Want to BET! ;\-\)


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nightman




if wondy was not out of action, he would have returned to the battle.


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nightman




so he must be stronger than wonderman. Not too hard to figure out.


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Daveym




> if wondy was not out of action, he would have returned to the battle.

And perhaps he did. Perhaps he fought Superman and gave him trouble... but proving it... ? :-/

I don't know why i'm bothering here, maybe i'm bored, but you don't seem very familiar with these characters histories.



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J




> so he must be stronger than wonderman. Not too hard to figure out.

Youre argument that Diana is stronger than Simon is most likely valid based on JLA/Avengers (and based on feats).

Youre assumption that Thor is stronger than Diana is absurd.

You agree that Thor is stronger than Wonderman and you agree that Diana is stronger than Wonderman yet you have no other direct comparison to relate Thor & Dianas strength level.

You *could* use their respective fights against Superman as a POSSIBLE explanation, but in that instance Diana never lost to Kal whereas Thor has... and Diana is part of a Universe which whos "dial" seemingly goes "up to 11!"




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nightman




the proof is that wondy did not return to battle supes! They would have shown it if he had. And yes, I am very familiar with these characters and their backgrounds.


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Daveym




> the proof is that wondy did not return to battle supes! They would have shown it if he had. And yes, I am very familiar with these characters and their backgrounds.

Prove to me that Wonderman did not return to battle Superman.

Go on, Prove it. \:\-\)


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nightman




based on thor's feats in the past, i would put him above wonderwoman. Most of the time, he would beat her in a fight.


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Dark Marvel




***To my knowledge Thor lifted some huge serpent that wrapped itself around the earth...this and the fact that Thor and Hulk stalmate each other all the time...What is Diana's best strength feat of all time?


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nightman




they did not show the battle and they probably would have if the writer wanted to show that wonderman was not taken out of the battle. He was knocked out like warbird was. I cannot prove it, but that is what the story leads me to believe.


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nightman




I would not know what wonderwoman's best strength feat is.


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Dark Marvel




> I would not know what wonderwoman's best strength feat is.


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Rehzon




> supes threw him across the city knocking wonderman out.


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Frank




> they did not show the battle and they probably would have if the writer wanted to show that wonderman was not taken out of the battle. He was knocked out like warbird was. I cannot prove it, but that is what the story leads me to believe.

As Daveym said, once the JLA got the artifact, they would have been teleported away. This was not a fight to the finsh, it was a fight for the "prize". So, by the time Wonder Man returned, Supes and GL would have been gone. This is why the battle didn't continue-it was over. And for the record, Ms Marvel/Warbird was not KO'ed. She is clearly conscious in the second to last panel of that fight, woozy, but awake. \:\-\)


-thefman-



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Rehzon




> > i don't think supes sucker punched wonderman at all; simon knew it was him that tossed him across the city putting him out of action.
>
> Want to BET! ;\-\)


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Frank




> As Daveym said, once the JLA got the artifact, they would have been teleported away.

Sorry, Lord Majestros mentioned them being teleported away after they got the artifact...my bad! \:\-D


-thefman-



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Rehzon




In DC vs Marvel,Supes an Prof. Hulk seemed equal in punching power and taking the others blows equally.That bis until Supes says something about not holding back,then KO's Hulk. In JLA/Avengers, the same happens in battle with Thor,untill Supes makes the "Dial comment
and KO's Thor. She'll lose when Supes mentions something similar,
if they battle again. >:-)


> You *could* use their respective fights against Superman as a POSSIBLE explanation, but in that instance Diana never lost to Kal whereas Thor has... and Diana is part of a Universe which whos "dial" seemingly goes "up to 11!"
>
>


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nightman




makes sense, except that wonderman could have been knocked out momentarily by supes and then woke up and came back to renew the battle.


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J




> In DC vs Marvel,Supes an Prof. Hulk seemed equal in punching power and taking the others blows equally.That bis until Supes says something about not holding back,then KO's Hulk. In JLA/Avengers, the same happens in battle with Thor,untill Supes makes the "Dial comment
> and KO's Thor. She'll lose when Supes mentions something similar,
> if they battle again. >:-)

In both of her major fights with Superman he was using his powers at their max - there was no holding back.

> > You *could* use their respective fights against Superman as a POSSIBLE explanation, but in that instance Diana never lost to Kal whereas Thor has... and Diana is part of a Universe which whos "dial" seemingly goes "up to 11!"
> >
> >


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J




> ***To my knowledge Thor lifted some huge serpent that wrapped itself around the earth...this and the fact that Thor and Hulk stalmate each other all the time...What is Diana's best strength feat of all time?

Wasnt the Midgard Serpent feat not entirely a strength feat? Meaning, wasnt part of it metaphysical and didnt he only lift a fraction or something?

Dianas had a slew of strength feats. One of my favorite that spring to mind is when she held up a mountain sized meteor - when Mary Marvel and CM3 struggled to hold up a much smaller one.




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Lord Majestros




> supes threw him across the city knocking wonderman out.

Lord Majestros:
Almost immediately after Simon was sent flying, GL grabbed the artifact. We have no clue what Simon's status was. Saying he was KOed is pure conjecture on your part.


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Frank




> makes sense, except that wonderman could have been knocked out momentarily by supes and then woke up and came back to renew the battle.

Agreed. I'm a Wonder Man fan but I'll be the first to admit he can't beat Superman. All I'm saying is the "fight" was over as soon as the artifact was acquired. It's possible Simon was out but it is also possible that as soon as he landed, he got up and flew back to the site.(Say what you want about Wondy but he can take a punch with the best of them.) Only Kurt Busiek knows for sure.


-thefman-



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Ironguy




> so he must be stronger than wonderman. Not too hard to figure out.


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bd2999




> > if wondy was not out of action, he would have returned to the battle.
>
> And perhaps he did. Perhaps he fought Superman and gave him trouble... but proving it... ? :-/
>
> I don't know why i'm bothering here, maybe i'm bored, but you don't seem very familiar with these characters histories.
>


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