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We don't know what it's for yet, but IGN just posted up this awesome Djurdjevic cover: http://comics.ign.com/articles/908/908526p1.html

So Doom with the Infinity Gauntlet throws down with the Celestial Host - who wins?!







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Cool! I couldn't get over how DUMB that Illuminati story was... they go to the ends of creation to aquire the Gems just to bring them to earth for 'safekeeping'... and presumably any & every villain to come collect in one convenient place. \:\(

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Assuming he has even the remotest skill with them Doom should. The Celestials are still physical entities and the Gems are the Bees-knees of the Cosmic Hierarchy. His willpower matches and probobly even exceeds Thanos' and he has had experience in using this level of power before, hence the pic of his Secret Wars self reflected in his gauntlet i expect.

Could be a good story in the Offing. \:\)




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I like the reflection of Doom in the Gauntlet too that is pretty much a throw back to Doom with the Beyonder power.

Regardless, Doom would slaughter the Celestials with the IG. Nothing in the universe, aside from LT, can stand up to it.

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Chancellor Liam, Dean of the Forgotten Green Academy of Gamma Sciences
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If the reflection is Doom,that's a Doombot there with the Gauntlet?



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> I like the reflection of Doom in the Gauntlet too that is pretty much a throw back to Doom with the Beyonder power.
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Yep. Any dullard will eventually triumph over the original hosts of cosmic beings as Nebula did in the IG saga. One host of Celestial alone wouldn't stand much of a chance.
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... in terms of achievements.

Doom will be Marvel's #1 villain for sure.

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Don't compare Doom to Thanos in anyway. Doom wishes he had the mind of Thanos.

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Thanos had to search high and low, all over the universe to find all the Gems, while Doom only has to look for them on Earth.

BIG difference in effort put forth, time put forth in so doing, too.

Heck, stick a blindfold on a kid and tell him there's a sucker in the room and he'll find it within a short time. Take the blindfold off the kid and tell him that same sucker is all the way on the other side of the world in a foreign country, and he'll dismiss that sucker in a heartbeat.

To me that analagy is what is the difference in Doom securing the Infinity Gauntlet and Thanos having had to do so. Doom being the blindfolded kid, Thanos being the kid who has to go further to find it. Except that Thanos had the drive to go further to get his treat.

To me, Thanos's effort and time spent was greater and Doom's. Doom knew of the IG and didn't go after it. Thanos did. Doom would only go after it if the prize was easy and within reasonable reach. As rich as Doom is, he could fund a galactic/universal search, and wouldn't.

To me, Thanos's achievement of such would be greater still.

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I think LT is more powerful than the Presences are, with only TOAA more powerful in MU than LT is.

Maybe only reason Presences didn't get involved was because they knew already they wouldn't win, so why bother?

Food for thought, just one opinion amongst many.


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Doom wins but doesn't finish things -- his ego always seems to get the better of him somehow -- eventually he slips up somewhere and the MU is rescued/restored


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Lord Majestros:
Doom wins unless the gems job.


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Lord Majestros:
Thanos had to get the gems from the Elders of the Universe without Death finding out what he was up to, Doom has to get them from the Illuminati, not the same level of accomplishment. On top of that, Thanos became the 616 Universe by replacing Eternity, Doom would have to surpass that and beating a host of Celestials doesn't do it. So, just getting the gems doesn't even put Doom on par with what Thanos did, let alone surpass it. Plus, Thanos exceeded his accomplishment with the gems when he gained the Heart of the Universe which was a greater power.


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You've gotta remember that the elders really didn't know what they had and were not explicitly trying to hide them from dangerous people. Yes its true that the elders are more powerful (albiet I'd say some of the tougher illuminati are more powerful than some of the weaker elders) they really never knew what they had.


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> Thanos had to get the gems from the Elders of the Universe without Death finding out what he was up to, Doom has to get them from the Illuminati, not the same level of accomplishment. On top of that, Thanos became the 616 Universe by replacing Eternity, Doom would have to surpass that and beating a host of Celestials doesn't do it. So, just getting the gems doesn't even put Doom on par with what Thanos did, let alone surpass it. Plus, Thanos exceeded his accomplishment with the gems when he gained the Heart of the Universe which was a greater power.






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Even though the Illuminati know what the gems are, they don't know how to use them well (if at all in most cases). Plus, the Illuminati series revealed that if you can get one gem, it will lead you to the other ones since the gems "communicate" with each other. Plus, much of the Illuminati aren't at the top of their game currently:
1)Xavier memories and mind aren't fully back to normal yet and he has no base of operations right now and none of the tech the X-Men have.
2)Atlantis was recently destroyed so Namor's Kingdom isn't at full force
3)Dr. Strange isn't at full power as a result of WWH



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but Marvel still basically dismissed the whole thing about the gems not working together in 616. It was mentioned, and Reed basically said, "Says who?" and the gems suddenly were capable of working together again. This is DESPITE the gems clearly not working together when TOAA said they couldn't the first time since a major plot point of "Infinity War" was Magus getting the ban lifted.


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> Even though the Illuminati know what the gems are, they don't know how to use them well (if at all in most cases). Plus, the Illuminati series revealed that if you can get one gem, it will lead you to the other ones since the gems "communicate" with each other. Plus, much of the Illuminati aren't at the top of their game currently:
> 1)Xavier memories and mind aren't fully back to normal yet and he has no base of operations right now and none of the tech the X-Men have.

Still capable of defeating Exodus in a telepathic fight. and chuck is big into having secret recourses he keeps away from the X.

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I do conceid that I didn't take those into count, of course BB's gem might very well be on a skrull. Another equalizer is the personal power gap between Doom & Thanos.

all in all I'd say that Doom pilfering the Gems from the Illuminati is an equivelent feat to Thanos getting them from the elders given that the elders were unprepared for someone coming for the gems and didn't know what they had and Thanos having a higher level of personal power.

as for the rest we'd have to see what Doom can do with them. Even if they don't work in unison to allow for transmultiveral power the 6 gems working on there own in dooms hands is scary enough.




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> I think LT is more powerful than the Presences are, with only TOAA more powerful in MU than LT is.
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That's assuming the gems actually ever stopped working as one. The only time I'm aware of where this was tested was with the Magus, and he didn't have all 6 anyways. If you follow the Rune crossover (which you'd be wise not to do) they've already broken this decree anyway.


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something along the lines of it being okay for Thanos to have it, since he was just propagating natural selection, whereas Warlock would possibly create total chaos throughout the multiverse, something LT had to prevent. in either event LT hardly seemed powerless against the IG. he was the one who powered it off, then back on. don't see why he would power it back on if he considered it a threat to himself.

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> That's assuming the gems actually ever stopped working as one. The only time I'm aware of where this was tested was with the Magus, and he didn't have all 6 anyways. If you follow the Rune crossover (which you'd be wise not to do) they've already broken this decree anyway.

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Why would they not work as one when Eternity said TOAA said they wouldn't the first time and not the second? Plus, didn't they work in the Malibu universe based on the technicality that it was another universe?


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He put on the Gauntlet and tried to get the gems to destroy themselves. They wouldn't do that, but Reed made no mention that gems weren't working. He then took off the gauntlet and gave the gems out to the other members for safekeeping. Even the Watcher popped up to chastise Reed for even putting on the gauntlet.

> That's assuming the gems actually ever stopped working as one. The only time I'm aware of where this was tested was with the Magus, and he didn't have all 6 anyways. If you follow the Rune crossover (which you'd be wise not to do) they've already broken this decree anyway.


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> > That's assuming the gems actually ever stopped working as one. The only time I'm aware of where this was tested was with the Magus, and he didn't have all 6 anyways. If you follow the Rune crossover (which you'd be wise not to do) they've already broken this decree anyway.
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> Why would they not work as one when Eternity said TOAA said they wouldn't the first time and not the second? Plus, didn't they work in the Malibu universe based on the technicality that it was another universe?

Including the crossover universe it really just asking for trouble. There were so, so, so many problems with that entire disaster. Regardless, all we have to go on is Eternity and the LT handing down an edict that we're really not sure is enforceable anyways. The LT had a lot of doubt he could stop Warlock, and Thanos took down all the cosmics. The 'edict' was probably nothing but a ruse. Thanos has already insinuated that the gems tap into a source of power beyond anything in the 616 universe. I'm still of the opinion that the Infinity Being was above TOAA before its demise.

Warlock was the one that divided the gems, not the LT. The Magus never even had all six gems. Quite frankly, if there was NO concern that a united gauntlet might still work, then Warlock's entire Infinity War scheme would be pretty unnecessary. Just warn eternity/LT about the plot for the gauntlet, never turn it on, and Eternity can come squash Magus with some cosmic cubes.

I think the edict might have had authority over several gems uniting. But there's really been nothing to suggest that either the LT or TOAA actually have any authority over the six gems united. And a significant amount to the contrary, IMO.


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