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Dvlish = (PM) Starfire, (EM) Songbird, (Meta) Terra & (Street) Batgirl Cassandra
(Hatman #1 Objection, feels Terra is > Meta)
(Braugi #1 Objection, feels Starfire is EM)
(Spunksf #2 Objection, feels Terra is > Meta)

Hatman = (PM) Moonstone, (EM) Fatality, (Meta) Joystick & (Street) Lady Shiva
(Amor Fati #1 Objection, feels Fatality is above EM)

Thorian = (PM) Enchantress-MU, (EM) Sienna Blaze, (Meta) Sith Asajj Ventress & (Street) Cheshire Nguyen
(Amor Fati #1 Objection, feels the PM/EM/M picks are all one level below what they should be)
(Rehzon #2 Objection, feels Asajj Ventress is EM)

Dark Marvel = (PM) Invisible Woman, (EM) Ghost, (Meta) Komodo & (Street) Black Widow

Amor Fati = (PM) Ganymede, (EM) Witchblade, (Meta) Zealot & (Street) Silver Sable
(Vermin #1 Objection, feels Ganymede is a Herald)
(Braugi #2 Objection, feels Ganymede is a EM)

Vermin = (PM) Ms.Marvel, (EM) Valkyrie, (Meta) Black Cat & (Street) Scarlett-GI Joe

Reedification = (PM) Magik w/Armor & Soulsword, (EM) Darkstar, (Meta) Black Canary & (Street) Huntress
(Amor Fati #1 Objection, claims Darkstar is a PM)

Rehzon = (PM) Big Barda, (EM) Jean Grey (classic levels), (Meta) Mystique & (Street) Shado

Exes = (PM) Spiral, (EM) Storm, (Meta) Mantis & (Street) Talia al Ghul

Incriptus = (PM) Danger (sentient Xavier Dangeroom), (EM) T-X Terminator, (Meta) Terminator Cameron & (Street) Buffy-bot
(Hatman #1 Objection, claims Buffy-bot is Meta)
(Amor Fati #2 Objection, claims Buffy-bot is Meta)
(Dvlish #1 Objection, claims Danger is a teambuster)
(Dvlish #3 objection, claims Buffy-bot is Meta if Buffy herself is Meta too)

Random = (PM) Zatanna, (EM) Blink, (Meta) Nocturne & (Street) Red Sonja

Xero = (EM) Quicksand, (Meta) Buffy the Vampire Slayer &

DCR = (PM) Thor-girl (minus cosmic powers), (EM) Xavin, (Meta) Elsa Bloodstone & (Street) Colleen Wing
(Amor Fati #1 Objection, claims Xavin is a PM)

Spunksf = (PM) Moondragon, (EM) Kitty Pryde, (Meta) Black Mamba (Tanya Sealy) & (Street) Manhunter Kate Spencer

Master = (PM) Exiles Namora, (EM) Psylocke, (Meta) Iron Fist & (Street) Nemesis (Soseh Mykros)
NOTE:  I can't find a link to your female Iron Fist.  Please provide so I can validate who this is, accordingly.

Comedian = (PM) Cpt. Marvel Monica Rambeau, (EM) Gamora (no Godslayer Sword), (Meta) Wasp & (Street) Elektra
(Master = #1 Objection, claims Gamora is a PM)
(Master = #1 Objection, claims Monica Rambeau is a Herald)
(Rehzon = #2 Objection, claims Monica Rambeau is a Herald)
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The following need to finalize their picks:
Xero = PM, Street _________________________________________________________
Since I (Defensor) had to give up my tourney slot to Comedian (grrrrrrrrr = LOL), just for kicks I'm gonna assemble what I'm gonna call: DEFENSOR's Best of the Best of What's Left Team (after your picks are concluded).  Just lemme know if you think it's a competitive team with the rest above, kinda like Tongan Giant likes to do regularly & who I was VERY sure would have liked to be in this tourney.

Defensor's Best of the Best of What's Left Team:
Street =
Meta =
EM =
PM =
Herald =



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Amor Fati





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RANDOM




> Today we will be drafting the META and PRIME META's only, and finishing up the first round selections.
>
> Throughout the day, I'll be filling in the LOCKED-IN thread, please lodge your objections ONLY on that thread, thank you. Helps me to keep more organized that way !!!
>
> Remember, once you make your selection and it's approved of by me, that character is LOCKED IN, which means you won't be able to swap or upgrade that character afterwards. So be sure, because the only way a character gets changed after I lock it in is if 3 or more complain about it, at which point I'll insist you repick, as long as complaints are justified and reasonable.
>
> For the remaining rules, please see my signup thread.
>
> Here are the one's who are participating so far:
>
> Hatman, Thorian, Dark Marvel, Amor Fati, Vermin, Reedification, dvlish, Rehzon, Exes, Incriptus, Random, Xero, DCR, Spunksf, Master, & Comedian.
>
> The following need to finalize their first round picks:
> Thorian, Hatman = EM
> Master, Xero = Street
> Rehzon = EM & Street
>



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Hatman




Prime Meta - Moonstone
Meta - Joystick
Enhanced Meta - Have to think on that one again


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Defensor




> Meta: Zealot
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot_(Wildstorm)
>
> Prime Meta: Ganymede
> http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ganymede.htm



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Defensor




> > Today we will be drafting the META and PRIME META's only, and finishing up the first round selections.
> >
> > Throughout the day, I'll be filling in the LOCKED-IN thread, please lodge your objections ONLY on that thread, thank you. Helps me to keep more organized that way !!!
> >
> > Remember, once you make your selection and it's approved of by me, that character is LOCKED IN, which means you won't be able to swap or upgrade that character afterwards. So be sure, because the only way a character gets changed after I lock it in is if 3 or more complain about it, at which point I'll insist you repick, as long as complaints are justified and reasonable.
> >
> > For the remaining rules, please see my signup thread.
> >
> > Here are the one's who are participating so far:
> >
> > Hatman, Thorian, Dark Marvel, Amor Fati, Vermin, Reedification, dvlish, Rehzon, Exes, Incriptus, Random, Xero, DCR, Spunksf, Master, & Comedian.
> >
> > The following need to finalize their first round picks:
> > Thorian, Hatman = EM
> > Master, Xero = Street
> > Rehzon = EM & Street
> >



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> > Meta: Zealot
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot_(Wildstorm)
> >
> > Prime Meta: Ganymede
> > http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ganymede.htm



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Amor Fati




> > Meta: Zealot
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot_(Wildstorm)
> >
> > Prime Meta: Ganymede
> > http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ganymede.htm

Really? Why? She's CL10, can fly fast and survive in space, and can emit blasts from her staff. That's not herald.

At least let others weigh in please.


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Defensor




> Prime Meta - Moonstone
> Meta - Joystick
> Enhanced Meta - Have to think on that one again



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Defensor




> > > Meta: Zealot
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot_(Wildstorm)
> > >
> > > Prime Meta: Ganymede
> > > http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ganymede.htm
>
> Really? Why? She's CL10, can fly fast and survive in space, and can emit blasts from her staff. That's not herald.
>
> At least let others weigh in please.



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Dark Marvel


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 5,917


> Today we will be drafting the META and PRIME META's only, and finishing up the first round selections.
>
> Throughout the day, I'll be filling in the LOCKED-IN thread, please lodge your objections ONLY on that thread, thank you. Helps me to keep more organized that way !!!
>
> Remember, once you make your selection and it's approved of by me, that character is LOCKED IN, which means you won't be able to swap or upgrade that character afterwards. So be sure, because the only way a character gets changed after I lock it in is if 3 or more complain about it, at which point I'll insist you repick, as long as complaints are justified and reasonable.
>
> For the remaining rules, please see my signup thread.
>
> Here are the one's who are participating so far:
>
> Hatman, Thorian, Dark Marvel, Amor Fati, Vermin, Reedification, dvlish, Rehzon, Exes, Incriptus, Random, Xero, DCR, Spunksf, Master, & Comedian.
>
> The following need to finalize their first round picks:
> Thorian, Hatman = EM
> Master, Xero = Street
> Rehzon = EM & Street
>





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spunksf




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Dark Marvel


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Amor Fati




SG has all of SM's powers but maybe at 80% level. Still, most metas only have one power and she has a slew of them. SM is a fairly strong EM pick.

Engineer IMO is on par with EIM.

she can cover her body with liquid metal at will, fly, communicate with machinery, and create devices - including radio-telepathy bugs, weaponry, rocket engines, replacement lungs to cope with unfamiliar atmospheres and even additional copies of herself.


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Reedification





Prime Meta: Magik (W/ [edit] Eldritch armor and Soul Sword)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magik_(comics)

Meta:Black Canary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canary



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Dark Marvel


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> SG has all of SM's powers but maybe at 80% level. Still, most metas only have one power and she has a slew of them. SM is a fairly strong EM pick.


***Which is why she is perfect for meta...she isn't as strong as Spidey and doesn't have his experience.


>
> Engineer IMO is on par with EIM.
>
> she can cover her body with liquid metal at will, fly, communicate with machinery, and create devices - including radio-telepathy bugs, weaponry, rocket engines, replacement lungs to cope with unfamiliar atmospheres and even additional copies of herself.


Engineer, does not have his strength feats, and has no chance against a true herald in my opinion.




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> Prime Meta: Magik (W/armor and Soul Sword)
>
> Meta:X-23
>




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Amor Fati




>
> Prime Meta: Magik (W/armor and Soul Sword)
If Zatanna is PM, then adding armor and an uber weapon might put her above. What is the armor exactly?
>
> Meta:X-23
If she is = to Logan and has his uber healing then she is EM like he is.
>



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Meta: Black Canary



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> >
> > Prime Meta: Magik (W/armor and Soul Sword)
> If Zatanna is PM, then adding armor and an uber weapon might put her above. What is the armor exactly?
> >
> > Meta:X-23
> If she is = to Logan and has his uber healing then she is EM like he is.
> >




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Defensor




>
> Meta: Black Canary
>




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Amor Fati




> > SG has all of SM's powers but maybe at 80% level. Still, most metas only have one power and she has a slew of them. SM is a fairly strong EM pick.
>
>
> ***Which is why she is perfect for meta...she isn't as strong as Spidey and doesn't have his experience.
>

IMO Spidey is mid-high level EM. He likely beats most EM's due to factor. I think SG beats most all metas so should be a decent EM.

>
> >
> > Engineer IMO is on par with EIM.
> >
> > she can cover her body with liquid metal at will, fly, communicate with machinery, and create devices - including radio-telepathy bugs, weaponry, rocket engines, replacement lungs to cope with unfamiliar atmospheres and even additional copies of herself.
>
>
> Engineer, does not have his strength feats, and has no chance against a true herald in my opinion.

I may be swayed here but need to know the limits of her instant tech creation.


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> >
> > Prime Meta: Magik (W/armor and Soul Sword)
> If Zatanna is PM, then adding armor and an uber weapon might put her above. What is the armor exactly?

Magik's magic is very limited W/O the sword and she can only cast low level spells (on earths plane) W the sword I would say she is a match for Zatanna. The armor just adds a little extra protection from magical attacks.

Also the sword cannot phisicaly effect non magical beings.

Also you stated that this pic was a good Prime Meta pic earlier so jeez man.
> >
> > Meta:X-23
> If she is = to Logan and has his uber healing then she is EM like he is.
> >



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Dark Marvel


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Defensor




> ***DMFemmes
>
>
> 1. Black Widow-Street
> http://www.comicvine.com/black-widow/29-3200/
>
> 2. Komodo-Meta
> http://www.comicvine.com/komodo/29-42782/
>
> 3. Ghost-E-Meta
> http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/g/ghost.htm
>
> 4. Shrakti-Prime Meta
> http://www.comicvine.com/shrakti/29-53721/
>



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Amor Fati




>
> > >
> > > Prime Meta: Magik (W/armor and Soul Sword)
> > If Zatanna is PM, then adding armor and an uber weapon might put her above. What is the armor exactly?
>
> Magik's magic is very limited W/O the sword and she can only cast low level spells (on earths plane) W the sword I would say she is a match for Zatanna. The armor just adds a little extra protection from magical attacks.
>
> Also the sword cannot phisicaly effect non magical beings.
>
> Also you stated that this pic was a good Prime Meta pic earlier so jeez man.
> > >

You're right. I was just unfamiliar with the armor. Even with the sword, though, I think Zatanna is the better mage. Exiles Magik was a bit more lethal IMO.


> > > Meta:X-23
> > If she is = to Logan and has his uber healing then she is EM like he is.
> > >
>



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Amor Fati




> ***DMFemmes
>
>
> 1. Black Widow-Street
> http://www.comicvine.com/black-widow/29-3200/
>
> 2. Komodo-Meta
> http://www.comicvine.com/komodo/29-42782/
>
> 3. Ghost-E-Meta
> http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/g/ghost.htm
>
> 4. Shrakti-Prime Meta
> http://www.comicvine.com/shrakti/29-53721/
>

Out of curiosity how durable was Gammid? Has she ever torn anyone apart with greater than street durability?


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Braugi




> > > Meta: Zealot
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot_(Wildstorm)
> > >
> > > Prime Meta: Ganymede
> > > http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ganymede.htm
>
> Really? Why? She's CL10, can fly fast and survive in space, and can emit blasts from her staff. That's not herald.
>
Judging from the effect she had on Surfer and how her energized staff strike hurt Tyrant more than anyone else was able to, I'd say she's a bit stronger than classic Spider Man...

That said, she's not that versatile, and probably PM is about right for her, though I'd say she's closer to Sif level physically with good EP, flight, etc...which might put her at top EM instead of PM...nah, her EP seems above what would qualify her as EM...

> At least let others weigh in please.



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