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Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.

Thor's nearly beat Superman in that one crossover. Superman CLEARLY had his way with DCU's Hercules, which means that Thor would too.

Thus, Red Hulk > both DCU/MU Hercules'




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> Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
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> Thor's nearly beat Superman in that one crossover. Superman CLEARLY had his way with DCU's Hercules, which means that Thor would too.
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> Thus, Red Hulk > both DCU/MU Hercules'

Name the times Hulk alone beat Marvel Hercules.

Name the times Superman alone beat DCU Hercules.

After you do this homework, "DevilHulk Jr" start explaining where the info comes from, that makes you view the two versions of Hercules the same way, when they arent written as the same character.

Careful, Defensor. You are quickly becoming a board joke.


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> Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
>
> Thor's nearly beat Superman in that one crossover. Superman CLEARLY had his way with DCU's Hercules, which means that Thor would too.
>
> Thus, Red Hulk > both DCU/MU Hercules'
>
>

This is my take on (Rulk), blah blah blah and morrrrre blah blah!
But honestly I think that this is some kind of dream or rather a nightmare! WHAT THE HELL IS MARVEL DOING!





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> Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
>
Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.

As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.

Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.

If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.





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> > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> >
> Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
>
> As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.
>
> Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.
>
> If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.

I think RH would have the edge at first, and then Hercules would drop mental blocks, like he has been doing in his run.

I didnt catched it at the time, but it was appearantly noted how Rulk outfougth Hulk, before thelater used considerable anger. Is this true?

I think in the end...Rulk just ends up being another top tier. And thats a move by Loeb that honestly confuses me.


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> > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> >
> > Thor's nearly beat Superman in that one crossover. Superman CLEARLY had his way with DCU's Hercules, which means that Thor would too.
> >
> > Thus, Red Hulk > both DCU/MU Hercules'
> >
> >
>
> This is my take on (Rulk), blah blah blah and morrrrre blah blah!
> But honestly I think that this is some kind of dream or rather a nightmare! WHAT THE HELL IS MARVEL DOING!

I bet one day Marvel will turn this classic into a movie.

Despair, Thorian. Despair!


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> > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> >
> Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
>
> As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.
Not so, Green Hulk started the fight and wore Red Hulk down enough for Thor to land a sneak attack and get into the fray. Meanwhile, before Green could get back into it, A-bom convinced him to wait a tad, explaining a few things and helping Green Hulk to realize that Red Hulk was getting noticeably hotter, and that Green gets MUCH more powerful when he's angry. A-bom knew that making Green wait just long enough for Green to get angry about Thor stealing the win away from him would make him get in there angry enough to take care of business. A-bom was who knew what was going on somehow, and he knew it sooner than Thor or Green realized it.

By the time Green stole the fight BACK from Thor again, A-bom THEN went to work on Thor, 'splainin things to Thor just as he'd done to Green Hulk, prevailing upon Thor's better sense of honor to let Green end this for Green's sake.

> Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.

yes, and point being that Green the first time is alive BECAUSE Thor intervened, and Thor's alive ONLY because Red wasn't even interested in killing Thor, he was only interested in finding Green again.

Then, it took both Thor and Green to wear him down when they fought a second time enough for Green to secure the win.

> If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.

Purely speculation, since Green Hulk's a near match for Hercules and Green Hulk hasn't defeated Red Hulk in solo battle yet in two tries. Indeed, both times he was about to die when Thor intervened.



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> > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> >
> Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
>
> As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.

You realize that Thor's advantage came from hitting RHulk while he was preoccupied with Hulk and then jumping on him while he remained off balance? We saw what happens when both are prepared for each other.

>
> Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.
>
> If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.
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> > > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> > >
> > Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
> >
> > As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.
> Not so, Green Hulk started the fight and wore Red Hulk down enough for Thor to land a sneak attack and get into the fray.

Green Hulk was fighting Rulk before Thor showed up, but it's kinda hard to say he was wearing Rulk down, since Rulk was pretty much dominating the fight at that point.

> Meanwhile, before Green could get back into it, A-bom convinced him to wait a tad, explaining a few things and helping Green Hulk to realize that Red Hulk was getting noticeably hotter, and that Green gets MUCH more powerful when he's angry. A-bom knew that making Green wait just long enough for Green to get angry about Thor stealing the win away from him would make him get in there angry enough to take care of business. A-bom was who knew what was going on somehow, and he knew it sooner than Thor or Green realized it.

Rulk himself specifically stated that Thor had him on the ropes, and that if not for Green Hulk's interference, Thor probably would've killed him. this in effect throws the theory that it took BOTH Thor and Green Hulk to down Rulk right out the window, and it makes any strategy A-bom may have formulated kinda irrelevant. Green Hulk and A-bom could've sat back and sipped lattes at that point, because according to Rulk's own admission, Thor was taking him down.
>
> By the time Green stole the fight BACK from Thor again, A-bom THEN went to work on Thor, 'splainin things to Thor just as he'd done to Green Hulk, prevailing upon Thor's better sense of honor to let Green end this for Green's sake.

exactly. for Green Hulk's sake, NOT because Thor was incapable of downing Rulk.
>
> > Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.
>
> yes, and point being that Green the first time is alive BECAUSE Thor intervened, and Thor's alive ONLY because Red wasn't even interested in killing Thor, he was only interested in finding Green again.

that's speculation. he wasn't interested in killing Thor in Hulk #5, true. but i'd wager a bet that anyone as vicious as Rulk would be willing to at least fight back when they're on the ropes, as Rulk was in issue #6. he wasn't even able to fight back against Thor during the second bout, which only lends credence to the argument that Thor indeed had his number.
>
> Then, it took both Thor and Green to wear him down when they fought a second time enough for Green to secure the win.

again, Hulk did not initially wear Rulk down. Rulk seemed perfectly fine before Thor showed up. it wasn't until during his fight with Thor that A-bom and Hulk noticed he was giving off heat.
>
> > If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.
>
> Purely speculation, since Green Hulk's a near match for Hercules and Green Hulk hasn't defeated Red Hulk in solo battle yet in two tries. Indeed, both times he was about to die when Thor intervened.
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> > > > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> > > >
> > > Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
> > >
> > > As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.
> > Not so, Green Hulk started the fight and wore Red Hulk down enough for Thor to land a sneak attack and get into the fray.
>
> Green Hulk was fighting Rulk before Thor showed up, but it's kinda hard to say he was wearing Rulk down, since Rulk was pretty much dominating the fight at that point.
>
> > Meanwhile, before Green could get back into it, A-bom convinced him to wait a tad, explaining a few things and helping Green Hulk to realize that Red Hulk was getting noticeably hotter, and that Green gets MUCH more powerful when he's angry. A-bom knew that making Green wait just long enough for Green to get angry about Thor stealing the win away from him would make him get in there angry enough to take care of business. A-bom was who knew what was going on somehow, and he knew it sooner than Thor or Green realized it.
>
> Rulk himself specifically stated that Thor had him on the ropes, and that if not for Green Hulk's interference, Thor probably would've killed him. this in effect throws the theory that it took BOTH Thor and Green Hulk to down Rulk right out the window, and it makes any strategy A-bom may have formulated kinda irrelevant. Green Hulk and A-bom could've sat back and sipped lattes at that point, because according to Rulk's own admission, Thor was taking him down.

The problem with this is that Rhulk was put on the ropes as the result of an attack that he was not prepared for; an non-preparedness that directly resulted from Rhulk's preoccupation with fighting Hulk. So the Hulk did play a role in Rhulk being on the ropes from Thor's attack.

> >
> > By the time Green stole the fight BACK from Thor again, A-bom THEN went to work on Thor, 'splainin things to Thor just as he'd done to Green Hulk, prevailing upon Thor's better sense of honor to let Green end this for Green's sake.
>
> exactly. for Green Hulk's sake, NOT because Thor was incapable of downing Rulk.
> >
> > > Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.
> >
> > yes, and point being that Green the first time is alive BECAUSE Thor intervened, and Thor's alive ONLY because Red wasn't even interested in killing Thor, he was only interested in finding Green again.
>
> that's speculation. he wasn't interested in killing Thor in Hulk #5, true. but i'd wager a bet that anyone as vicious as Rulk would be willing to at least fight back when they're on the ropes, as Rulk was in issue #6. he wasn't even able to fight back against Thor during the second bout, which only lends credence to the argument that Thor indeed had his number.
> >
> > Then, it took both Thor and Green to wear him down when they fought a second time enough for Green to secure the win.
>
> again, Hulk did not initially wear Rulk down. Rulk seemed perfectly fine before Thor showed up. it wasn't until during his fight with Thor that A-bom and Hulk noticed he was giving off heat.

But Rhulk always give off heat. When Hulk tells A-bomb that Thor can't beat Red Hulk, he explains that this is because the madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets and he assumes that Red Hulk has this ability. A-bomb then explains that Red Hulk is not like Green Hulk. Instead of getting stronger with anger, he gets hotter. Thus Hulk sees that potential strength advantage and takes Rhulk's punches until he surpasses him in strength.
> >
> > > If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.
> >
> > Purely speculation, since Green Hulk's a near match for Hercules and Green Hulk hasn't defeated Red Hulk in solo battle yet in two tries. Indeed, both times he was about to die when Thor intervened.
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> > > > > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> > > > >
> > > > Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
> > > >
> > > > As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.
> > > Not so, Green Hulk started the fight and wore Red Hulk down enough for Thor to land a sneak attack and get into the fray.
> >
> > Green Hulk was fighting Rulk before Thor showed up, but it's kinda hard to say he was wearing Rulk down, since Rulk was pretty much dominating the fight at that point.
> >
> > > Meanwhile, before Green could get back into it, A-bom convinced him to wait a tad, explaining a few things and helping Green Hulk to realize that Red Hulk was getting noticeably hotter, and that Green gets MUCH more powerful when he's angry. A-bom knew that making Green wait just long enough for Green to get angry about Thor stealing the win away from him would make him get in there angry enough to take care of business. A-bom was who knew what was going on somehow, and he knew it sooner than Thor or Green realized it.
> >
> > Rulk himself specifically stated that Thor had him on the ropes, and that if not for Green Hulk's interference, Thor probably would've killed him. this in effect throws the theory that it took BOTH Thor and Green Hulk to down Rulk right out the window, and it makes any strategy A-bom may have formulated kinda irrelevant. Green Hulk and A-bom could've sat back and sipped lattes at that point, because according to Rulk's own admission, Thor was taking him down.
>
> The problem with this is that Rhulk was put on the ropes as the result of an attack that he was not prepared for; an non-preparedness that directly resulted from Rhulk's preoccupation with fighting Hulk. So the Hulk did play a role in Rhulk being on the ropes from Thor's attack.

then the only role i can see that Green Hulk played was to distract Rulk, not wear him down like Defensor implied.

i do agree that Rulk was unprepared for Thor's attack. however, you'd think that Rulk wouldn't need to be prepared for Thor's attacks, given how he shrugged them off in issue 5. sloppy writing at it's worst.
>
> > >
> > > By the time Green stole the fight BACK from Thor again, A-bom THEN went to work on Thor, 'splainin things to Thor just as he'd done to Green Hulk, prevailing upon Thor's better sense of honor to let Green end this for Green's sake.
> >
> > exactly. for Green Hulk's sake, NOT because Thor was incapable of downing Rulk.
> > >
> > > > Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.
> > >
> > > yes, and point being that Green the first time is alive BECAUSE Thor intervened, and Thor's alive ONLY because Red wasn't even interested in killing Thor, he was only interested in finding Green again.
> >
> > that's speculation. he wasn't interested in killing Thor in Hulk #5, true. but i'd wager a bet that anyone as vicious as Rulk would be willing to at least fight back when they're on the ropes, as Rulk was in issue #6. he wasn't even able to fight back against Thor during the second bout, which only lends credence to the argument that Thor indeed had his number.
> > >
> > > Then, it took both Thor and Green to wear him down when they fought a second time enough for Green to secure the win.
> >
> > again, Hulk did not initially wear Rulk down. Rulk seemed perfectly fine before Thor showed up. it wasn't until during his fight with Thor that A-bom and Hulk noticed he was giving off heat.
>
> But Rhulk always give off heat. When Hulk tells A-bomb that Thor can't beat Red Hulk, he explains that this is because the madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets and he assumes that Red Hulk has this ability. A-bomb then explains that Red Hulk is not like Green Hulk. Instead of getting stronger with anger, he gets hotter. Thus Hulk sees that potential strength advantage and takes Rhulk's punches until he surpasses him in strength.

this is probably true, as is the likelihood that A-bom had formulated a plan at that point. still, the notion that it took both Hulk and Thor to beat Rulk doesn't hold much water when you consider that, by all appearances, Rulk was completely uneffected by Hulk, until Thor showed up, at which point he was on the ropes.
> > >
> > > > If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.
> > >
> > > Purely speculation, since Green Hulk's a near match for Hercules and Green Hulk hasn't defeated Red Hulk in solo battle yet in two tries. Indeed, both times he was about to die when Thor intervened.
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Face facts at any time now, you overrated him. Rulk is not all that, he just starts off at Savage Hulk levels and goes down from there. This little connection you've tried to draw up makes NO sense.

> Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
>
> Thor's nearly beat Superman in that one crossover. Superman CLEARLY had his way with DCU's Hercules, which means that Thor would too.
>
> Thus, Red Hulk > both DCU/MU Hercules'
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is never prepped the first time around. Thor just got his measure and proceeded to beat the dog crap out of him in round two.

> > > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> > >
> > Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
> >
> > As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.
>
> You realize that Thor's advantage came from hitting RHulk while he was preoccupied with Hulk and then jumping on him while he remained off balance? We saw what happens when both are prepared for each other.
>
> >
> > Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.
> >
> > If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.
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The difference the second time around was that Thor hit him harder, plain and simple.

> > > > > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
> > > > >
> > > > Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
> > > >
> > > > As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.
> > > Not so, Green Hulk started the fight and wore Red Hulk down enough for Thor to land a sneak attack and get into the fray.
> >
> > Green Hulk was fighting Rulk before Thor showed up, but it's kinda hard to say he was wearing Rulk down, since Rulk was pretty much dominating the fight at that point.
> >
> > > Meanwhile, before Green could get back into it, A-bom convinced him to wait a tad, explaining a few things and helping Green Hulk to realize that Red Hulk was getting noticeably hotter, and that Green gets MUCH more powerful when he's angry. A-bom knew that making Green wait just long enough for Green to get angry about Thor stealing the win away from him would make him get in there angry enough to take care of business. A-bom was who knew what was going on somehow, and he knew it sooner than Thor or Green realized it.
> >
> > Rulk himself specifically stated that Thor had him on the ropes, and that if not for Green Hulk's interference, Thor probably would've killed him. this in effect throws the theory that it took BOTH Thor and Green Hulk to down Rulk right out the window, and it makes any strategy A-bom may have formulated kinda irrelevant. Green Hulk and A-bom could've sat back and sipped lattes at that point, because according to Rulk's own admission, Thor was taking him down.
>
> The problem with this is that Rhulk was put on the ropes as the result of an attack that he was not prepared for; an non-preparedness that directly resulted from Rhulk's preoccupation with fighting Hulk. So the Hulk did play a role in Rhulk being on the ropes from Thor's attack.
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> > >
> > > By the time Green stole the fight BACK from Thor again, A-bom THEN went to work on Thor, 'splainin things to Thor just as he'd done to Green Hulk, prevailing upon Thor's better sense of honor to let Green end this for Green's sake.
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> > exactly. for Green Hulk's sake, NOT because Thor was incapable of downing Rulk.
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> > > > Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.
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> > > yes, and point being that Green the first time is alive BECAUSE Thor intervened, and Thor's alive ONLY because Red wasn't even interested in killing Thor, he was only interested in finding Green again.
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> > that's speculation. he wasn't interested in killing Thor in Hulk #5, true. but i'd wager a bet that anyone as vicious as Rulk would be willing to at least fight back when they're on the ropes, as Rulk was in issue #6. he wasn't even able to fight back against Thor during the second bout, which only lends credence to the argument that Thor indeed had his number.
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> > > Then, it took both Thor and Green to wear him down when they fought a second time enough for Green to secure the win.
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> > again, Hulk did not initially wear Rulk down. Rulk seemed perfectly fine before Thor showed up. it wasn't until during his fight with Thor that A-bom and Hulk noticed he was giving off heat.
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> But Rhulk always give off heat. When Hulk tells A-bomb that Thor can't beat Red Hulk, he explains that this is because the madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets and he assumes that Red Hulk has this ability. A-bomb then explains that Red Hulk is not like Green Hulk. Instead of getting stronger with anger, he gets hotter. Thus Hulk sees that potential strength advantage and takes Rhulk's punches until he surpasses him in strength.
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> > > > If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.
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> > > Purely speculation, since Green Hulk's a near match for Hercules and Green Hulk hasn't defeated Red Hulk in solo battle yet in two tries. Indeed, both times he was about to die when Thor intervened.
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...from what I'm hearing/reading on the boards is that Thor blind-sided Red Hulk while the latter was fighting the true Hulk. It's pretty easy to get the jump on someone when they are engaged in something else. As for their first encounter however, Thor was simply embarassed. I'm not buying the prep issue, simply because Thor is a warrior with millenia of combat experience and could easily adapt to an opponent of comparable stature. The Red Hulk was simply too overwhelming for Thor to contend with in their first encounter, there can be no other explaination. And you can't say he was holding back, because he stated from the onset of the fight that he intended to put the Red Hulk down for good, and he had to know that a creature able to rout the Green Hulk had to be a formidable opponent indeed. Summation... Thor got spanked. Thor is one of my faves... but it is what it is.


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> is never prepped the first time around. Thor just got his measure and proceeded to beat the dog crap out of him in round two.
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> > > > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
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> > > Hulk only beat Hercules one time. When Hercules was stripped of his godhood cutting his strength by as much as half and making his durability not worth crap. Also at the time the Hulk was being powered by energies from another dimension so he was abnormally strong.
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> > > As to the fight, it only took Thor to beat RHulk. RHulk admitted Thor had him on the ropes and that the Hulk's interference saved RHulk's life.
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> > You realize that Thor's advantage came from hitting RHulk while he was preoccupied with Hulk and then jumping on him while he remained off balance? We saw what happens when both are prepared for each other.
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> > >
> > > Therefore logic dictates that Hercules might be able to beat RHulk on his own if he uses his fighting skills. RHulk beat GHulk the first time by outfighting him and catching him in a wrestling hold. The second time he nearly beat him to death before Thor intervened.
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> > > If Hercules used some of his fighting skills the when writers remember he has them he could give Rhulk a run for his money if not beat him. Espically if Hercules brings his golden mace to the battle which allows him to hit as hard as Mjolnir. If Thor with Mjolnir was able to hurt RHulk then it makes sense Hercules would be able to do so as well.
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> > Well, it took both Thor & Green Hulk to tag team Red Hulk, so I think it should be profoundly obvious that since Hulk's beaten Hercules before, and that Red Hulk has beaten Hulk the one time they went solo, as well as he beat Thor the one time they went solo, then logic dictates that Red Hulk would beat both of the Hercules' too.
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> > Thor's nearly beat Superman in that one crossover. Superman CLEARLY had his way with DCU's Hercules, which means that Thor would too.
> >
> > Thus, Red Hulk > both DCU/MU Hercules'
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> Name the times Hulk alone beat Marvel Hercules.
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> Name the times Superman alone beat DCU Hercules.
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> After you do this homework, "DevilHulk Jr" start explaining where the info comes from, that makes you view the two versions of Hercules the same way, when they arent written as the same character.
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> Careful, Defensor. You are quickly becoming a board joke.



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