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Thoughts on how this battle would go???

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Hawkman wins a slight majority. If they fought seven times, Hawkman would win 4-3. He has the big edge in weaponry, but Spidey has beaten tougher guys than Hawkman before.

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I give this one to Spidey. Aside from the obvious A-list advantage (meaning he'd never lose in a crossover) to Spidey, Hawkman is the kind of character is routinely beats.


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Spider-Man is stronger, faster, and more manuerable in the city, he'll be able to sense any approach Hawkman makes, and Hawkman won't be able to break out to the webbing.





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> Spider-Man is stronger, faster, and more manuerable in the city, he'll be able to sense any approach Hawkman makes, and Hawkman won't be able to break out to the webbing.

I think he could break the webbing esp if not around several times, or he could just Slice the web before it got to him. Hawkman can keep up speedwise, he has shown to dodge bullet's several times.
Strengh are'nt that far off either(Look at scans in my Hawkman post).

So your three so called advantaged have shown not too be as you say, esp. Easy in ANYWAY!!!

HawkMan can also take more punishment then Spidey can and eventually this is going to get in close quarters and HAwk will be the one to come out on TOP...

This is'nt easy, Not EVEN CLOSe!! You saying thinks like that dont makes you look good, try too know more about the OTHER character first before posting such blantently wrong statement...

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Hawkman has a huge advantage over the Vulture in that his arms are free while he's flying, plus he has Thanagarian weaponry. I think Spider-Man can take him, but he's gonna be pretty banged up himself in the process. 6/10 to Spider-Man

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> > Spider-Man is stronger, faster, and more manuerable in the city, he'll be able to sense any approach Hawkman makes, and Hawkman won't be able to break out to the webbing.
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> I think he could break the webbing esp if not around several times, or he could just Slice the web before it got to him.
As far as I remember, nobody's ever just sliced Spidey's weapon before it got to them.
> Hawkman can keep up speedwise, he has shown to dodge bullet's several times.
Spidey dodges bullets a lot more times than several. He can evade gangs firing semi-automatics from several different directions at once.

> Strengh are'nt that far off either(Look at scans in my Hawkman post).
So just where do you put his strenght level at anyway? The scans you posted didn't look like anything Spider-Man couldn't have easily matched. The web-slinger is a class 10 strenth-wise. (Which means he can lift ten tons, can Hawkman match that?) And going back to my orginial post, Spidey himself can't break his own webbing, so Hawkman shouldn't be able to. When Spidey uses enough of the webbing, he can hold Ben Grimm.
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> So your three so called advantaged have shown not too be as you say, esp. Easy in ANYWAY!!!
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> This is'nt easy, Not EVEN CLOSe!! You saying thinks like that dont makes you look good, try too know more about the OTHER character first before posting such blantently wrong statement...

I think you're the one who's got it wrong. You're not giving Spider-Man the props he deserves. (Aren't you the the same guy who thinks Slade Wilson would beat Spider-Man and Captain America at the same time?)


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Not an easy fight for either.

Let me say straight-up that Spiderman i think is superior at the end of the day, but fighting Hawkman is a completely different proposition to fighting The Vulture. Hawkman has the animal ferocity of Wolverine in combat and is a master at most weaponry, he is extremely durable and will take most of Spidermans initial beatings, he is generations older than Spiderman in the hero game and will be one of the toughest customers Spiderman has fought... what limits Hawkman a bit here is his reliance on the air and need for maneuvorability. Spidermman is far too agile in comparison and can deliver more punishment, i could see him goading Hawkman into carelessness due to Carters temper and pride in combat... either way Spiderman will win 6/10. But Hawkman is not an opponent he can afford to take lightly at all....





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> > I think he could break the webbing esp if not around several times, or he could just Slice the web before it got to him.
> As far as I remember, nobody's ever just sliced Spidey's weapon before it got to them.


Ahh Wrong. Taskmaster's done it Easily, and that's off the top of hmy head not reading hardly any Spidey...

> > Hawkman can keep up speedwise, he has shown to dodge bullet's several times.
> Spidey dodges bullets a lot more times than several. He can evade gangs firing semi-automatics from several different directions at once.

So they both can dodge bullet's. That proves there VERY close. HawkMan has also been able to see Flash when Vibrating Superspeed tring to stay invisable...
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> > Strengh are'nt that far off either(Look at scans in my Hawkman post).
> So just where do you put his strenght level at anyway?

Hard to gauge, he can call on Nth metal to do extra feats he would'nt normally been able...

The scans you posted didn't look like anything Spider-Man couldn't have easily matched. The web-slinger is a class 10 strenth-wise. (Which means he can lift ten tons, can Hawkman match that?)

Ahh I think that plane was probably close to that if not over and Hawk has no problem whatsoever, that shows he's right there with him...

And going back to my orginial post, Spidey himself can't break his own webbing, so Hawkman shouldn't be able to. When Spidey uses enough of the webbing, he can hold Ben Grimm.

Well unlike Benn Hawk could call on NthMetal to break out...
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Yea I am. Read Deathstroke and you will know why. He's defeated way toughrmultiple oppenants then them before.
Hawk is Very close in EVERY vatergory with spidey...

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> Let me say straight-up that Spiderman i think is superior at the end of the day, but fighting Hawkman is a completely different proposition to fighting The Vulture. Hawkman has the animal ferocity of Wolverine in combat and is a master at most weaponry, he is extremely durable and will take most of Spidermans initial beatings, he is generations older than Spiderman in the hero game and will be one of the toughest customers Spiderman has fought... what limits Hawkman a bit here is his reliance on the air and need for maneuvorability. Spidermman is far too agile in comparison and can deliver more punishment, i could see him goading Hawkman into carelessness due to Carters temper and pride in combat... either way Spiderman will win 6/10. But Hawkman is not an opponent he can afford to take lightly at all....
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> Let me say straight-up that Spiderman i think is superior at the end of the day, but fighting Hawkman is a completely different proposition to fighting The Vulture. Hawkman has the animal ferocity of Wolverine in combat and is a master at most weaponry, he is extremely durable and will take most of Spidermans initial beatings, he is generations older than Spiderman in the hero game and will be one of the toughest customers Spiderman has fought... what limits Hawkman a bit here is his reliance on the air and need for maneuvorability. Spidermman is far too agile in comparison and can deliver more punishment, i could see him goading Hawkman into carelessness due to Carters temper and pride in combat... either way Spiderman will win 6/10. But Hawkman is not an opponent he can afford to take lightly at all....

I agree that Hawkman is a great and noble warrior, and that he is probably > Vulture. (I'm not familar with the Vulture's latest stats, at one point he was in Spidey's class strenght wise, I don't know if that's still the case.)

Thing is, Spider-Man has a good deal of experience fighing something more than a Hawkman, that is a Goblin. (Several of them, in fact by now) Goblins have high flight manuerablity, ranged attacks, and most of them are in Spidey's strenght class.

On the other hand, Hawkman has no experience fighting anyone like Spidey. DC doesn't have anyone like Spider-Man for Carter Hall to get a frame of reference on what he would be fighting. If they had, and Hawkman had fought such a charater a number of times, I might feel differently about the winged warriors' chances against the web-slinger.

Yes Hawkman is a great force to be reconned with, and an expericed warrior, but in this fight Spider-Man will be the one with the relvelant expirience. And Carter's macho warrior attitude will only remind Peter of an obnoxiouis Flash Thompson, and that will only make him want to beat Hawkman that much more.
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> Thing is, Spider-Man has a good deal of experience fighing something more than a Hawkman, that is a Goblin. (Several of them, in fact by now) Goblins have high flight manuerablity, ranged attacks, and most of them are in Spidey's strenght class.
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Agreed, but none of them are noted as great fighters now are they? None of them have the maneuvorabilty and air experience of Hawkman either, several decades worth or more.

> On the other hand, Hawkman has no experience fighting anyone like Spidey. DC doesn't have anyone like Spider-Man for Carter Hall to get a frame of reference on what he would be fighting. If they had, and Hawkman had fought such a charater a number of times, I might feel differently about the winged warriors' chances against the web-slinger.
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Well the problem with that is that Hawkman has been solidly active in the hero Biz since his 1940s debut, That's 6 decades of experience in the hero game fightning stuff we mostly havn't even seen, as compared to Spidermans ten years or so. I've seen Spiderman troubled by foes as 'feeble' as Iron Fist, Tarantula & Daredevil and that's something you and others always conveniently overlook!
As a member of the JSA we've seen him fight way out of his class and indeed he was their leader for a number of decades up until their current renaissance. His ongoing feud with Black Adam has seen them clash majorly at least twice and while that's a fight he simply can't win he's still made Adam work for it.

> Yes Hawkman is a great force to be reconned with, and an expericed warrior, but in this fight Spider-Man will be the one with the relvelant expirience. And Carter's macho warrior attitude will only remind Peter of an obnoxiouis Flash Thompson, and that will only make him want to beat Hawkman that much more.
Quite possibly, yes. But you're dismissing this character to such a massive extent i feel you just aren't someone who's aware or follows him to any great extent... as others above have shown in scans he is an absolute physical monster. To say Spiderman is in "no trouble" is facetious and just blithely ignorant of the characters ability and showings.




















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I bever even say that one, most of missed somehow, thanks

Not even spidey's firelord meeting tops that. Hawkman is way underrespected here, and thnks for helping inform board...:)

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> Well the problem with that is that Hawkman has been solidly active in the hero Biz since his 1940s debut, That's 6 decades of experience in the hero game fightning stuff we mostly havn't even seen, as compared to Spidermans ten years or so. I've seen Spiderman troubled by foes as 'feeble' as Iron Fist, Tarantula & Daredevil and that's something you and others always conveniently overlook!
> As a member of the JSA we've seen him fight way out of his class and indeed he was their leader for a number of decades up until their current renaissance. His ongoing feud with Black Adam has seen them clash majorly at least twice and while that's a fight he simply can't win he's still made Adam work for it.
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> Quite possibly, yes. But you're dismissing this character to such a massive extent i feel you just aren't someone who's aware or follows him to any great extent... as others above have shown in scans he is an absolute physical monster. To say Spiderman is in "no trouble" is facetious and just blithely ignorant of the characters ability and showings.
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> > > Let me say straight-up that Spiderman i think is superior at the end of the day, but fighting Hawkman is a completely different proposition to fighting The Vulture. Hawkman has the animal ferocity of Wolverine in combat and is a master at most weaponry, he is extremely durable and will take most of Spidermans initial beatings, he is generations older than Spiderman in the hero game and will be one of the toughest customers Spiderman has fought... what limits Hawkman a bit here is his reliance on the air and need for maneuvorability. Spidermman is far too agile in comparison and can deliver more punishment, i could see him goading Hawkman into carelessness due to Carters temper and pride in combat... either way Spiderman will win 6/10. But Hawkman is not an opponent he can afford to take lightly at all....
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> Well the problem with that is that Hawkman has been solidly active in the hero Biz since his 1940s debut, That's 6 decades of experience in the hero game fightning stuff we mostly havn't even seen, as compared to Spidermans ten years or so.
First of all, that's not the same guy as the "Golden Age" Hawkman, just like it's not the same Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman. On the other hand, this is the same Spider-Man that Stan Lee created in the early 1960's. As far as I know, with the sliding time scale of comics, all the major DC character have about 10 years of experience, just like the Stan Lee Marvel characters. In any case, no matter how much experience Hawkman has, Spider-Man has more of the pertinent experience for the battle at hand.

> I've seen Spiderman troubled by foes as 'feeble' as Iron Fist, Tarantula & Daredevil and that's something you and others always conveniently overlook!
I admit that Spidey's been written poorly in the past, but I was still going by average showings for both Hawkman and Spidey.

> As a member of the JSA we've seen him fight way out of his class and indeed he was their leader for a number of decades up until their current renaissance. His ongoing feud with Black Adam has seen them clash majorly at least twice and while that's a fight he simply can't win he's still made Adam work for it.

Looking at your scans, it was reminisent of an earlier Marvel feud between USAgent and Hawkeye. I admit that they show Hawkman has a lot of grit to attack Black Adam that way, but it still always seemed as if Black Adam could have killed Hawkman any time he wanted to. I'm not saying Spidey would have done any better against BA, but Hawkman couldn't have attacked the web slinger the same way. Where Hawkman was able to attack BA from behind, Spidey would have sensed the winged one sneaking up on him, then turned and faced him. In other words, a fight against Black Adam is not relevant experince for a fight against Spider-Man.
When I look at fights between two characters that have never met, I can only go by their stats and their experience. Spider-Man has powers that match up well against the winged one, and he has much more experiece againt foes somewhat similar to Hawkman than Hawkman has ever had against anyone like Spider-Man.
Hawkman may be a great warrior, but in this particular fight, he is the beginner and Spidey is the seasoned veteran.
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> Quite possibly, yes. But you're dismissing this character to such a massive extent i feel you just aren't someone who's aware or follows him to any great extent... as others above have shown in scans he is an absolute physical monster. To say Spiderman is in "no trouble" is facetious and just blithely ignorant of the characters ability and showings.
Yes, I admit to this, and hope it doesn't seem as though I'm disrespecting the character. However it is difficult to repect a character that gets so little respect from DC Comics itself. From what I've seen his orgin keeps chaning again and again. Is he an archaeologist; is he an alien from another world; is he reincarnated? etc. All these confusing retcons mean the writers aren't happy with the concept of the character, so why should we be? And as a reader, why should I care about keeping up with a continually retconned hero? Surely DC will retcon the character again if I try, so what's the point?

I wish DC would treat the character better. He is something rare at that company; that is a good mid-level powered character. Most of the characters at nearly up to (or even exceed) Superman's power level or are down near Batman's level of power. I wish he would get his own book and his own rouges gallery. If he did that, after about 5 years I would feel differently about his abilities in battle.

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