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Master




faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...

Anybody, please...

Mahalo

M


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Neptune1973




> faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
>
> Anybody, please...
>
> Mahalo
>

thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!


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Neptune1973




> > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> >
> > Anybody, please...
> >
> > Mahalo
> >
>
> thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!



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Neptune1973




> > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> >
> > Anybody, please...
> >
> > Mahalo
> >
>
> thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!



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Neptune1973




> > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > >
> > > Anybody, please...
> > >
> > > Mahalo
> > >
> >
> > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!



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Master




> > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > >
> > > Anybody, please...
> > >
> > > Mahalo
> > >
> >
> > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!

No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...

All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
No way he would get put down that fast IMO...

M


should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)


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Neptune1973




> > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > >
> > > > Anybody, please...
> > > >
> > > > Mahalo
> > > >
> > >
> > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
>
> No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...

your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!


>
> All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> No way he would get put down that fast IMO...

im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..
>
> M
>
>
> should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)

ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?

Neptune73


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Master




> > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mahalo
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> >
> > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
>
> your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!
>
>
> >
> > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
>
> im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)
>
> ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?

Mostly a strengh increase somehow with his Body. He was showed to pull Drax out of NegaBandPortal and even went fist to fist w/smart Drax and knocked him out...People close to him like Gamora noted on him being stronger then he use too...
>
> Neptune73



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Olympian




> > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mahalo
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> >
> > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
>
> your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!
>
>
> >
> > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
>
> im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..

I think he was still immortal at the time. His powerdown only happened at the time when Hercules visual changed to the black shirt, and whatever. Not only that but Maxam considers him a direct rival, and that wouldnt happen with the powerdown background.

Wich is why this doesnt scream low showing for me.

> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)
>
> ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?
>
> Neptune73



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Bootch 

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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,492


His soul gem blast must be the speed as a Star Trek phaser beam.

> > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> >
> > Anybody, please...
> >
> > Mahalo
> >
>
> thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!



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Neptune1973




> > > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mahalo
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> > >
> > > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
> >
> > your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
> >
> > im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..
>
> I think he was still immortal at the time. His powerdown only happened at the time when Hercules visual changed to the black shirt, and whatever. Not only that but Maxam considers him a direct rival, and that wouldnt happen with the powerdown background.

what year did this issue come out? i thought he was mortal..even in his hearts of Chaos mini he was still mortal..going to work now so..but u could be right!!


>
> Wich is why this doesnt scream low showing for me.
>
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> > > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)
> >
> > ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?
> >
> > Neptune73



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Braugi




Warlock/Him is strong and durable, but until his most recent powerup, he was never really a heavy hitter physically...he was beating Thor in the Him days when he was focusing on using his cosmic power manipultation, but when he went head to head, he got owned.

Same with Hercules.

He did good about Olik, but there's no indication that Olik is as strong as Ulik, who is known as the strongest, most powerful of the trolls. Olik could have been anywhere from class 20- class 50.

While I don't recognize handbooks as being the best indicator, he was listed at 10 tons strong with the ability to amp to 40...I think he was better than that, but how much is pretty debatable...

Strengthwise, probably about Thunderstrike level...in the 35-50 range...


> > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > >
> > > > Anybody, please...
> > > >
> > > > Mahalo
> > > >
> > >
> > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
>
> No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
>
> All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
>
> M
>
>
> should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)



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Braugi




somewhere in this time frame, but exactly when I'm not sure...it might have been shortly after this, but I thought beardless Herc was also mortal Herc...

> > > > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mahalo
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> > > >
> > > > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
> > >
> > > your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > > > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
> > >
> > > im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..
> >
> > I think he was still immortal at the time. His powerdown only happened at the time when Hercules visual changed to the black shirt, and whatever. Not only that but Maxam considers him a direct rival, and that wouldnt happen with the powerdown background.
>
> what year did this issue come out? i thought he was mortal..even in his hearts of Chaos mini he was still mortal..going to work now so..but u could be right!!
>
>
> >
> > Wich is why this doesnt scream low showing for me.
> >
> > > >
> > > > M
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)
> > >
> > > ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?
> > >
> > > Neptune73



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Kwan Jang Nim




> somewhere in this time frame, but exactly when I'm not sure...it might have been shortly after this, but I thought beardless Herc was also mortal Herc...

Herc was immortal for a while before he went beardless. It's often hard on to tell in going back to other books how "Kevin Sorbo-ish" he was being portrayed as. Even when he was mortal, some writers put him at full power and able to fight Thor evenly, but merely aged like a mortal. Some writers had mortal Herc at full strength, but lacking in durability and stamina. While other writers specifically stated he was at half strength for their use of the character. This was a foolish and confusing time for the character on Marvel's part IMO.
>
> > > > > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mahalo
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> > > > >
> > > > > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
> > > >
> > > > your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > > > > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
> > > >
> > > > im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..
> > >
> > > I think he was still immortal at the time. His powerdown only happened at the time when Hercules visual changed to the black shirt, and whatever. Not only that but Maxam considers him a direct rival, and that wouldnt happen with the powerdown background.
> >
> > what year did this issue come out? i thought he was mortal..even in his hearts of Chaos mini he was still mortal..going to work now so..but u could be right!!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Wich is why this doesnt scream low showing for me.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > M
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)
> > > >
> > > > ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?
> > > >
> > > > Neptune73



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Olympian




> > > > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mahalo
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> > > >
> > > > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
> > >
> > > your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > > > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
> > >
> > > im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..
> >
> > I think he was still immortal at the time. His powerdown only happened at the time when Hercules visual changed to the black shirt, and whatever. Not only that but Maxam considers him a direct rival, and that wouldnt happen with the powerdown background.
>
> what year did this issue come out? i thought he was mortal..even in his hearts of Chaos mini he was still mortal..going to work now so..but u could be right!!

I cant be 100% certain, but adressing what Braugi talked about below, Hercules was still immortal for a time, even in the beardless fase. The whole run of Bob Harras, had him as immortal i belive.

Its only when Deodatojr step in, that Hercules changes his gear, and its during this era that he loses most of his power.

All this was before Onslaught. "Heart of Chaos" happens after.

>
>
> >
> > Wich is why this doesnt scream low showing for me.
> >
> > > >
> > > > M
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)
> > >
> > > ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?
> > >
> > > Neptune73



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Olympian




> His soul gem blast must be the speed as a Star Trek phaser beam.

Obviously, Hercules reaction speed is higher than a Star Trek beam.

>
> > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > >
> > > Anybody, please...
> > >
> > > Mahalo
> > >
> >
> > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!



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Master




> > > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mahalo
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> > >
> > > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
> >
> > your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
> >
> > im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..
>
> I think he was still immortal at the time. His powerdown only happened at the time when Hercules visual changed to the black shirt, and whatever. Not only that but Maxam considers him a direct rival, and that wouldnt happen with the powerdown background.
>
> Wich is why this doesnt scream low showing for me.
>
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> > > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)
> >
> > ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?
> >
> > Neptune73



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Master




> Warlock/Him is strong and durable, but until his most recent powerup, he was never really a heavy hitter physically...he was beating Thor in the Him days when he was focusing on using his cosmic power manipultation, but when he went head to head, he got owned.
>
> Same with Hercules.
>
> He did good about Olik, but there's no indication that Olik is as strong as Ulik, who is known as the strongest, most powerful of the trolls. Olik could have been anywhere from class 20- class 50.

Whoa talk about low, that's for an average Troll, he was at LEAST Thing strengh....
>
> While I don't recognize handbooks as being the best indicator, he was listed at 10 tons strong with the ability to amp to 40...I think he was better than that, but how much is pretty debatable...
>
> Strengthwise, probably about Thunderstrike level...in the 35-50 range...

That;s low and when amped he can reach 100 ton level. Just look at Abyss fight...Regular between 60-80 IMO...

M
>
>
> > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mahalo
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> >
> > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
> >
> > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)



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Braugi




> > Warlock/Him is strong and durable, but until his most recent powerup, he was never really a heavy hitter physically...he was beating Thor in the Him days when he was focusing on using his cosmic power manipultation, but when he went head to head, he got owned.
> >
> > Same with Hercules.
> >
> > He did good about Olik, but there's no indication that Olik is as strong as Ulik, who is known as the strongest, most powerful of the trolls. Olik could have been anywhere from class 20- class 50.
>
> Whoa talk about low, that's for an average Troll, he was at LEAST Thing strengh....
> >
class 25 is about on par with an average troll...I doubt he's that low, but its possible. Its more likely he's somewhere in the class 40-50 range...remember, Firelord is class 50, and Warlock himself was probably in the same ballpark...Vidar is class 50 as well...
> > While I don't recognize handbooks as being the best indicator, he was listed at 10 tons strong with the ability to amp to 40...I think he was better than that, but how much is pretty debatable...
> >
> > Strengthwise, probably about Thunderstrike level...in the 35-50 range...
>
> That;s low and when amped he can reach 100 ton level. Just look at Abyss fight...Regular between 60-80 IMO...
>
Sure, Abyss...who else has Abyss fought? We have direct showings against Hercules, Thor, and others that show him clearly NOT on their strength level, and THAT is the best way to show where he ranks. If anything, he looks less impressive than Firelord physically, judging by Firelords respective fights with Thor and Hercules.

Too many people just 'assume' someone is Thing level or above because they want their characters to be near the elite, but while Warlock has shown impressive physical abilities, he was NOT shown as a real physical powerhouse, though the recent version may well be.

> M
> >
> >
> > > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mahalo
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> > >
> > > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
> > >
> > > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> > > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)



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Olympian




> > > > > > > faught Warlock somethime in IW. really like to see, Herc I guess wins but would like to seee how went for myself...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anybody, please...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mahalo
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks for the scans earlier!! if forgot my password..couldnt remember,,so i had to creat a new one...sorry!!! here u go..glad i can help!!
> > > >
> > > > No problem you've done more for me in past. Thanks again for this one...
> > >
> > > your welcome!!! dont post much...but glad to help when i can!!alot of poster do for me and im glad i can do the same for you!!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > All in ALl though this is a low showing for Warlock don't ya think???
> > > > No way he would get put down that fast IMO...
> > >
> > > im not sure..Hercules i think was mortal(not immortal)and wasnt Class 100 here but Warlock i beleive strength wise was around 25-40Tons max(nomore)so i beleive he could have fought herc to a stalemate IMHO but Hercules when serious is one tough cookie to take down..without the soulgem use..adams not gonna beat herc hand to hand if so..maybe 2/10 (immortal herc)and 5/10 mortal..
> >
> > I think he was still immortal at the time. His powerdown only happened at the time when Hercules visual changed to the black shirt, and whatever. Not only that but Maxam considers him a direct rival, and that wouldnt happen with the powerdown background.
> >
> > Wich is why this doesnt scream low showing for me.
> >
> > > >
> > > > M
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> > > > should be mention he's had power up since then(Lynn Series)(Before recent incarnation)
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> > > ive heard yet i havent seen it..is he more powerful now? or still the same?
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> > > Neptune73



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