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The Celestial Madonna vs. The Most Dangerous Woman in the Universe. Who takes this one?


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Gamora has certain advantages over her and is lso athe more skillful of the two IMO.

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    The Celestial Madonna vs. The Most Dangerous Woman in the Universe. Who takes this one?


Gamora supposedly has the edge in strength and speed, has a healing factor and knows a whole lot about assassination tactics. Mantis on the other hand is better skillwise imo. Although she was defeated by Moondragon in a hth match before.. which I'm still saying was due to subconscious mind gem use.




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Mantis also lost to Moondragon.

Gamora held her own pretty well against B&T Thor.


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    Mantis also lost to Moondragon.

    Gamora held her own pretty well against B&T Thor.



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      Mantis also lost to Moondragon.

      Gamora held her own pretty well against B&T Thor.






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maybe I'm thinking of Rune Thor story? Haven't read as much on Thor in the last year or two as he's gotten pretty boring and watered down over time.

What I meant, though, was that when you have serious Time or Reality manipulation going on, such events shouldn't be used for comparison because the writers are given a go-ahead to over portray the characters to insane levels that we wouldn't see normally.




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    maybe I'm thinking of Rune Thor story? Haven't read as much on Thor in the last year or two as he's gotten pretty boring and watered down over time.

    What I meant, though, was that when you have serious Time or Reality manipulation going on, such events shouldn't be used for comparison because the writers are given a go-ahead to over portray the characters to insane levels that we wouldn't see normally.







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do you think that massive reality or time manipulation events should count towards continuity?

Also, I thought that when Rune Thor was convinced that what he did wasn't right, that reality/time, was changed so that he could go back to a previous time and make a different decision so that future wouldn't happen?


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    do you think that massive reality or time manipulation events should count towards continuity?

    Also, I thought that when Rune Thor was convinced that what he did wasn't right, that reality/time, was changed so that he could go back to a previous time and make a different decision so that future wouldn't happen?


That wasn't Rune Thor, it was from Jurgen's run when Thor first received the Odin power known as the Reigning. In that one the timeline was reset so the events are more or less meaningless. In Oeming's Ragnarok - the story featuring Rune Thor - nothing of the sort happened, and the events of that story led directly into the current relaunch.



Cheers.





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Thanks, by the way.

But still, you mentioned a reset that jumpstarted a new series for Thor. Is a reset like a retcon? Are things changed significantly enough to equate? Or is a reset kinda like marvel's way of doing what DC does with their many retcons?



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      do you think that massive reality or time manipulation events should count towards continuity?

      Also, I thought that when Rune Thor was convinced that what he did wasn't right, that reality/time, was changed so that he could go back to a previous time and make a different decision so that future wouldn't happen?


    That wasn't Rune Thor, it was from Jurgen's run when Thor first received the Odin power known as the Reigning. In that one the timeline was reset so the events are more or less meaningless. In Oeming's Ragnarok - the story featuring Rune Thor - nothing of the sort happened, and the events of that story led directly into the current relaunch.



    Cheers.



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    Thanks, by the way.

    But still, you mentioned a reset that jumpstarted a new series for Thor. Is a reset like a retcon? Are things changed significantly enough to equate? Or is a reset kinda like marvel's way of doing what DC does with their many retcons?




The "reset" happened because Thor used the Odin force to go back in time to prevent the events of the Reigning. That meant that everything that happened in that storyline effectively didn't happen.

Ret-cons take many shapes and forms. Timeline resets, the classic Starlin "it was a clone!" excuse etc etc. A ret-con is anything that changes an element of a previous storyline.



Cheers.





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      The Celestial Madonna vs. The Most Dangerous Woman in the Universe. Who takes this one?


    Gamora supposedly has the edge in strength and speed, has a healing factor and knows a whole lot about assassination tactics. Mantis on the other hand is better skillwise imo. Although she was defeated by Moondragon in a hth match before.. which I'm still saying was due to subconscious mind gem use.


To be honest I think more of Mantis let her win. Mantis obviously knew she was very upset thet she was'nt choosen above mantis as Celestial Madonna and felt that letting her win would let go of that anger she had so she could move on. It strikes me as something mantis would do and would'nt really care about losing in this way...

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    do you think that massive reality or time manipulation events should count towards continuity?

    Also, I thought that when Rune Thor was convinced that what he did wasn't right, that reality/time, was changed so that he could go back to a previous time and make a different decision so that future wouldn't happen?


Lord Majestros:
SOME of that arc was erased. King Thor went back in time and the part where the Asgardains took over the world was prevented from happening. IIRC, King Thor prevented his past self from killing Jake Olsen. Basically the point where the story jumped ahead a number of years and Thor was married to Enchantress and they had a son (Magni), Thor had one eye and one arm, etc, never happened. The story before the jump is still canon. Blood & Thunder, however, was never erased in any manner and is still canon \:\-D .


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        The Celestial Madonna vs. The Most Dangerous Woman in the Universe. Who takes this one?


      Gamora supposedly has the edge in strength and speed, has a healing factor and knows a whole lot about assassination tactics. Mantis on the other hand is better skillwise imo. Although she was defeated by Moondragon in a hth match before.. which I'm still saying was due to subconscious mind gem use.


    To be honest I think more of Mantis let her win. Mantis obviously knew she was very upset thet she was'nt choosen above mantis as Celestial Madonna and felt that letting her win would let go of that anger she had so she could move on. It strikes me as something mantis would do and would'nt really care about losing in this way...

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I can't remember whether or not that was insinuated in the issue.. but it sounds good to me. Thing is Moony could've read her mind. Could've but maybe didn't. I could see Mantis confronting Moondragon(heard she was coming back) in GOTG, after a heated discussion, saying something like "if you had read this one's mind, you'd know this one did let you win". That'll do it for me.





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Why is it so hard for people to accept Mantis was defeated by Moondragon in pure skill?

Both were trained by the Priests of Pama and both excelled in their martial arts training.

Moondragon is THAT good. And, in fairness, Moondragons training always seemed more impressive as her mental powers (which were in direct relation to her POP training) are far more potent than Mantis.


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        Gamora supposedly has the edge in strength and speed, has a healing factor and knows a whole lot about assassination tactics. Mantis on the other hand is better skillwise imo. Although she was defeated by Moondragon in a hth match before.. which I'm still saying was due to subconscious mind gem use.


      To be honest I think more of Mantis let her win. Mantis obviously knew she was very upset thet she was'nt choosen above mantis as Celestial Madonna and felt that letting her win would let go of that anger she had so she could move on. It strikes me as something mantis would do and would'nt really care about losing in this way...

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    I can't remember whether or not that was insinuated in the issue.. but it sounds good to me. Thing is Moony could've read her mind. Could've but maybe didn't. I could see Mantis confronting Moondragon(heard she was coming back) in GOTG, after a heated discussion, saying something like "if you had read this one's mind, you'd know this one did let you win". That'll do it for me.



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Part of Mantis's battle prowess is her pre-cog. Gamora, like Warlock and Pip the Troll, are outside of that influence.


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    Mantis also lost to Moondragon.

    Gamora held her own pretty well against B&T Thor.



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