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Superboy Prime is simply too powerful for Thanos. He's not only more powerful (moving planets like chess pieces, going toe to toe with friggin' Guardians, defeating Ion, defeating Monarch, destroying planets like a bowling ball knocks down pins)... he is also more durable (e.g., surviving a universal explosion and showing no signs of visible damage, flying right through Anti-Monitor's armor without disintegrating, saying that Black Adam's punches tickled, surviving a pile on of Earth's heroes while weakened with no sunlight....)

I know Thanos is powerful, but his high-end feats are because he always has some temporary power-up like an orb to help against Tyrant, the Guantlet against Earth's heroes, etc. Plus, he bled when going through a black hole, this would never happen to Prime. I also think Thanos' durability was because Death never allowed him to die, but as soon as she was willing, a top tier punched through his chest rather easily. Bottom line, if the Guardians, GL corp, Sinestro corp, JLA, and the rest of Earth's heroes did a pile on against Thanos, the Mad Titan would go down in a flash. Prime held his own and it took a Guardian's self-sacrifice to win via battle field removal.


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> I also think Thanos' durability was because Death never allowed him to die, but as soon as she was willing, a top tier punched through his chest rather easily.

It was more complex than that, Drax had been created by a semi-abstract called Chronos and bio-engineered to be able to cut thru Thanos defences and do the deed.... Maybe at that point Thanos & Death had agreed it was time for him to die but the build up indicated it was purely because Drax was now powerful enough to kill him.

As to Thanos' chances, unprepped, against Prime - he's got none. Prime is generally way beyond anyone on the DCU earth and he's certainly beyond anyone on the MU earth, Thanos has no defence or power that could remotely slow Superboy from getting his hands round his neck.









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    > I also think Thanos' durability was because Death never allowed him to die, but as soon as she was willing, a top tier punched through his chest rather easily.

    It was more complex than that, Drax had been created by a semi-abstract called Chronos and bio-engineered to be able to cut thru Thanos defences and do the deed.... Maybe at that point Thanos & Death had agreed it was time for him to die but the build up indicated it was purely because Drax was now powerful enough to kill him.

    As to Thanos' chances, unprepped, against Prime - he's got none. Prime is generally way beyond anyone on the DCU earth and he's certainly beyond anyone on the MU earth, Thanos has no defence or power that could remotely slow Superboy from getting his hands round his neck.




But how come Odin wasn't able to summon that type of power when he fought Thanos? Odin's more powerful. I know Drax was glowing with a green energy, but Death is more powerful than Kronos and could easily overrule any bio-design to kill him. She was starting to express love for Thanos, so I don't fully agree with this idea that only Drax could have done what he did.


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> But how come Odin wasn't able to summon that type of power when he fought Thanos? Odin's more powerful.
I really doubt Odin was hitting Thanos with everything he had. This was near to Asgard remember and Odin wouldn't be fighting Thanos on the same level he would fight Surtur or a Celestial for example. Nowhere was it said Thanos was a match for Odin here, just that he was a lot tougher than Odin had bargained for.... think of when Thanos faced down Galactus for a good idea what i'm getting at.

> I know Drax was glowing with a green energy, but Death is more powerful than Kronos and could easily overrule any bio-design to kill him. She was starting to express love for Thanos, so I don't fully agree with this idea that only Drax could have done what he did.
Even Death has her limits. Death is not the only force out there, there is such a thing as fate.
Drax was pre-ordained to kill Thanos, even Death cannot rewrite destiny and i think the allusion here was that this was always how it was going to end for Thanos - that weariness of life from him was what was built up to over the course of Annihilation and he realised it was now time to go right there at the last moment as Death appeared to him....



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    and he's certainly beyond anyone on the MU earth


Sentry and WWH would eat him for dinner.

Black Bolt would kill him with his voice.

Strange or Wanda Maximoff would beat him with a single word.

The list of people who would beat Superboy Prime is huge.



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Right, so where exactly have they done anything that would compare to Superboy Prime?
World War Hulk was conveniently written so that powered-up Hulk never fought more than one top-tier opponent at a time. Iron Man (leader of the largest security force on the planet, and in charge of HUNDREDS of superhumans) suddenly gets stupid and fights Hulk one-on-one. Strange had him dead to rights, but stopped. His fight with Black Bolt (a skrull not even the real Black Bolt) was convenintly played out off screen. Yet Superboy Prime, there is no convenient plot device involved in his victories, and he walks through armies of superhumans.
And as for Sentry... how many times has he actually defeated a serious powerplayer in a fight? Now compare that to Superboy, and the stuff that he has done.
Neither Hulk or Sentry have done anything that would suggest that they are capable of lasting here for more than a short time. Superboy is far and away stronger, faster, more durable, and all around more powerful than either of them.


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    Black Bolt would kill him with his voice.


Monarch destroying a universe didn't kill him.


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    Strange or Wanda Maximoff would beat him with a single word.


If Strange was this powerful, why has he simply destroyed every villain on the planet and turned Earth into a utopia... oh yeah, he's not that powerful. I mean, he had to let himself get possessed by a demon so he had enough power to fight Hulk.
Considering Superboy's resistance to magic, time and universe altering, and the fact that up to this point, simply NOTHING has been shown capable of killing him, how can you be so sure that Wanda can as well?


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    The list of people who would beat Superboy Prime is huge.


Which is why he's such a minor league villain right... tell me, have you ever actually read a comic with this character in it?


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    I mean, he had to let himself get possessed by a demon so he had enough power to fight Hulk.


I know you are trying to make a point (that I agree with, btw) but this statement isn't realy accurate.



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      I mean, he had to let himself get possessed by a demon so he had enough power to fight Hulk.


    I know you are trying to make a point (that I agree with, btw) but this statement isn't realy accurate.



    Cheers.


Isn't that why he did this though? He was trying to kill the Hulk, and the demon (can't remember his name) was about the only way for him to have that kind of power. I haven't read the comic since it first came out, so I may be a bit off here, but that was what I thought the point was.


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    Isn't that why he did this though? He was trying to kill the Hulk, and the demon (can't remember his name) was about the only way for him to have that kind of power. I haven't read the comic since it first came out, so I may be a bit off here, but that was what I thought the point was.


He used Zom after Hulk hd broken his hands. Before that, Strange was appealing to Banner and trying to end the war peacefully. It was made very clear that if he had wanted, Strange could have ended Hulk's threat easily. However, after Hulk broke his hands the Doc's magics were weakened and he was in a blind panic. This is what led to him using the demon Zom.



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      and he's certainly beyond anyone on the MU earth


    Sentry and WWH would eat him for dinner.

    Black Bolt would kill him with his voice.

    Strange or Wanda Maximoff would beat him with a single word.

    The list of people who would beat Superboy Prime is huge.


Black Bolt's voice would kill him? Can it destroy a universe? Because Prime survived a universal blast from point blank range unscathed. Unless Marvel has the equivalent of a Bart Allen, your list isn't close.


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> Black Bolt's voice would kill him? Can it destroy a universe?

You kind of wonder if it's one of those attacks that gets blown a little out of proportion sometimes, like the Torch's Nova-Blast.
I think it does depends a bit on how his voice is applied, I don't believe he's ever gone allout with it and i don't know if he's mentally (or physically) capable of doing so.... it's the sort of weapon that can only be speculated about as the chances of it ever being applied to full effect are remote at best.

Still, there is a growing list of those who have resisted his power over the years - Sentry, Apocalypse, Silver Surfer for three, and I can't see any case for it remotely affecting Superboy-prime given the extremes of durability he has.







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    Right, so where exactly have they done anything that would compare to Superboy Prime?
    World War Hulk was conveniently written so that powered-up Hulk never fought more than one top-tier opponent at a time. Iron Man (leader of the largest security force on the planet, and in charge of HUNDREDS of superhumans) suddenly gets stupid and fights Hulk one-on-one. Strange had him dead to rights, but stopped. His fight with Black Bolt (a skrull not even the real Black Bolt) was convenintly played out off screen. Yet Superboy Prime, there is no convenient plot device involved in his victories, and he walks through armies of superhumans.
    And as for Sentry... how many times has he actually defeated a serious powerplayer in a fight? Now compare that to Superboy, and the stuff that he has done.
    Neither Hulk or Sentry have done anything that would suggest that they are capable of lasting here for more than a short time. Superboy is far and away stronger, faster, more durable, and all around more powerful than either of them.


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      Black Bolt would kill him with his voice.


    Monarch destroying a universe didn't kill him.


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      Strange or Wanda Maximoff would beat him with a single word.


    If Strange was this powerful, why has he simply destroyed every villain on the planet and turned Earth into a utopia... oh yeah, he's not that powerful. I mean, he had to let himself get possessed by a demon so he had enough power to fight Hulk.
    Considering Superboy's resistance to magic, time and universe altering, and the fact that up to this point, simply NOTHING has been shown capable of killing him, how can you be so sure that Wanda can as well?


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      The list of people who would beat Superboy Prime is huge.


    Which is why he's such a minor league villain right... tell me, have you ever actually read a comic with this character in it?


Why did you not comment on Wanda?


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    Still, there is a growing list of those who have resisted his power over the years - Sentry, Apocalypse, Silver Surfer for three, and I can't see any case for it remotely affecting Superboy-prime given the extremes of durability he has.


Sentry was nowhere near BB when he whispered. Clearly it wasn't nearly his most powerful blast as the Wasp and others took it without being splattered.

When has Surfer taken it? I remember Black Bolt using a tiny whisper in an area wih very little oxygen that was specifically noted as weakening the effects of the voice (iirc), and that was only to break up a fight and not an attack to actually drop Surfer. Is there another instance?



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    > I also think Thanos' durability was because Death never allowed him to die, but as soon as she was willing, a top tier punched through his chest rather easily.

    It was more complex than that, Drax had been created by a semi-abstract called Chronos and bio-engineered to be able to cut thru Thanos defences and do the deed.... Maybe at that point Thanos & Death had agreed it was time for him to die but the build up indicated it was purely because Drax was now powerful enough to kill him.

    As to Thanos' chances, unprepped, against Prime - he's got none. Prime is generally way beyond anyone on the DCU earth and he's certainly beyond anyone on the MU earth, Thanos has no defence or power that could remotely slow Superboy from getting his hands round his neck.










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        Sentry and WWH would eat him for dinner.


      Right, so where exactly have they done anything that would compare to Superboy Prime?
      World War Hulk was conveniently written so that powered-up Hulk never fought more than one top-tier opponent at a time. Iron Man (leader of the largest security force on the planet, and in charge of HUNDREDS of superhumans) suddenly gets stupid and fights Hulk one-on-one. Strange had him dead to rights, but stopped. His fight with Black Bolt (a skrull not even the real Black Bolt) was convenintly played out off screen. Yet Superboy Prime, there is no convenient plot device involved in his victories, and he walks through armies of superhumans.
      And as for Sentry... how many times has he actually defeated a serious powerplayer in a fight? Now compare that to Superboy, and the stuff that he has done.
      Neither Hulk or Sentry have done anything that would suggest that they are capable of lasting here for more than a short time. Superboy is far and away stronger, faster, more durable, and all around more powerful than either of them.


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        Black Bolt would kill him with his voice.


      Monarch destroying a universe didn't kill him.


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        Strange or Wanda Maximoff would beat him with a single word.


      If Strange was this powerful, why has he simply destroyed every villain on the planet and turned Earth into a utopia... oh yeah, he's not that powerful. I mean, he had to let himself get possessed by a demon so he had enough power to fight Hulk.
      Considering Superboy's resistance to magic, time and universe altering, and the fact that up to this point, simply NOTHING has been shown capable of killing him, how can you be so sure that Wanda can as well?


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        The list of people who would beat Superboy Prime is huge.


      Which is why he's such a minor league villain right... tell me, have you ever actually read a comic with this character in it?


    Why did you not comment on Wanda?


Well, in some cases, Wanda can reality warp an entire universe, so if SBP loses to that, it's no shame.





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    I mean, he had to let himself get possessed by a demon so he had enough power to fight Hulk.


I know you are trying to make a point (that I agree with, btw) but this statement isn't realy accurate.


While I agree with most of what he was saying, I think you are right. Strange admitted he could kill or banish Hulk if he wanted. He chose not to. The only reason he even ingested the demon was to proect himself in a weakened state, which happened because Strange made himself vulnerable in an attempt to reach out to Hulk. Even than, as Zom-strange he only failed to beat Hulk because he stopped himself. An unleashed Strange would own Hulk in two seconds.

If anyone on Earth could take out SBP it's probably Strange, although he's also as likely to lose to him given is weak vulnerability.


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    Well, in some cases, Wanda can reality warp an entire universe, so if SBP loses to that, it's no shame.


More than that..... she was damaging the multiverse during House of M.




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I did comment on Wanda. As his universe doesn't exist anymore, I don't think that she could alter it to make him not exist, or not have powers. And considering that everthing that he has faced as failed to kill him, I'm thinking that she may not have the power to actually do it.
Even if she did, there is no shame in losing to someone with the power to cause a chain reaction that warps reality across the entire Marvel multiverse.


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... and considering that Superboy can travel between dimensions, even that is a slim hope. If Thanos had a lot of one-sided prep, and some serious help, he could find a way to destroy the armor and siphon Superboy's power off, but even then that's a long shot. The kid can walk through entire armies of superheroes and survive universe -destroying power.
Thanos would be hard pressed to do anything other than just running away.


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> I did comment on Wanda. As his universe doesn't exist anymore, I don't think that she could alter it to make him not exist, or not have powers. And considering that everthing that he has faced as failed to kill him, I'm thinking that she may not have the power to actually do it.
> Even if she did, there is no shame in losing to someone with the power to cause a chain reaction that warps reality across the entire Marvel multiverse.

I agree. The logic set up on the character is that he is a living anomaly, he doesn't belong in this or any other universe. Given he has proved utterly immune to even the highest forms of magic, which in itself is a form of reality warping, I see a strong case for him being immune to Wanda's power for the most part. What he wouldn't be immune to is being locked inside another dimension however.... though how long he'd be there before he finds a way out or someone pulled him out is another question. As he himself said - "I always find a way out".



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the battle against the avengers ( thor, iron man, vision, Beast, Moondragon, Scarlet Witch,captain america ) + captain marvel spider man and Thing. ... it was BEFORE Death give him a power up




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    the battle against the avengers ( thor, iron man, vision, Beast, Moondragon, Scarlet Witch,captain america ) + captain marvel spider man and Thing. ... it was BEFORE Death give him a power up


...is apart from Thor the others don't even register on the threat-o-meter.



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> ...is apart from Thor the others don't even register on the threat-o-meter.
It's still a great showing for Thanos, He takes the Things sunday punch as easily as Sentry recently did and while Thor could very possibly take the same hit just as well it does go to show Thanos is physically a match for Thor more or less, notably he seems overpowered by both Grimm & Thor together however.

Obviously though there is a world of difference between such a showing and what Superboy has been showing - when you're seen very casually dismissing superman, Power Girl and assorted other heavy hitters from the DCU elite you're in a league of your own! No way Thanos matches that sort of pure strength showing...





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Thanos' only hope is for SBP to have a mental meltdown, there's no other way. SBP has a phobia of Flashes for the simple reason that they have the ability to isolate him in a dimension he's all alone in.


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    > ...is apart from Thor the others don't even register on the threat-o-meter.
    It's still a great showing for Thanos, He takes the Things sunday punch as easily as Sentry recently did and while Thor could very possibly take the same hit just as well it does go to show Thanos is physically a match for Thor more or less, notably he seems overpowered by both Grimm & Thor together however.

    Obviously though there is a world of difference between such a showing and what Superboy has been showing - when you're seen very casually dismissing superman, Power Girl and assorted other heavy hitters from the DCU elite you're in a league of your own! No way Thanos matches that sort of pure strength showing...





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...there is a HUGE difference between that line up and the one SBP faced.



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Take out Thor and even Magneto or Apocolypse could challenge this team. Captain America? Beast? Man alive, Prime would rip them apart BY ACCIDENT. He took on the Teen Titans, JSA, and Doom Patrol all at once and made their heads explode and arms tear off like they were water balloons and tissue paper.


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        and he's certainly beyond anyone on the MU earth


      Sentry and WWH would eat him for dinner.

      Black Bolt would kill him with his voice.

      Strange or Wanda Maximoff would beat him with a single word.

      The list of people who would beat Superboy Prime is huge.


    Black Bolt's voice would kill him? Can it destroy a universe? Because Prime survived a universal blast from point blank range unscathed.


I think one could interpret that Prime was destroyed by the blast but was plucked out of the voidby the time trapper. Or perhaps he was taken just before the blast. At any rate the nature of his reappearance in Legion of Three Worlds make it a bit dubious that he survived unaided a universe destroying blast and furthermore his showings against others do not support the notion that he has that kind of durability.

I think BBs voice would mess him up bad and yeah I think a scream could conceivably kill him.
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          and he's certainly beyond anyone on the MU earth


        Sentry and WWH would eat him for dinner.

        Black Bolt would kill him with his voice.

        Strange or Wanda Maximoff would beat him with a single word.

        The list of people who would beat Superboy Prime is huge.


      Black Bolt's voice would kill him? Can it destroy a universe? Because Prime survived a universal blast from point blank range unscathed.


    I think one could interpret that Prime was destroyed by the blast but was plucked out of the voidby the time trapper. Or perhaps he was taken just before the blast. At any rate the nature of his reappearance in Legion of Three Worlds make it a bit dubious that he survived unaided a universe destroying blast and furthermore his showings against others do not support the notion that he has that kind of durability.

    I think BBs voice would mess him up bad and yeah I think a scream could conceivably kill him.
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When Time Trapper grabbed a hold of him, SBP's body appeared unconcious. This can only mean he survived the point blank initial impact. Time Trapper even says, "But now found," meaning SBP was probably drifting in limbo for a while. Seems pretty open and shut to me....


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      I mean, he had to let himself get possessed by a demon so he had enough power to fight Hulk.


    I know you are trying to make a point (that I agree with, btw) but this statement isn't realy accurate.


While I agree with most of what he was saying, I think you are right. Strange admitted he could kill or banish Hulk if he wanted. He chose not to. The only reason he even ingested the demon was to proect himself in a weakened state, which happened because Strange made himself vulnerable in an attempt to reach out to Hulk. Even than, as Zom-strange he only failed to beat Hulk because he stopped himself. An unleashed Strange would own Hulk in two seconds.

If anyone on Earth could take out SBP it's probably Strange, although he's also as likely to lose to him given is weak vulnerability.


SBP laughed off Mordru's magic. I'm stack up Mordru against Strange any day. Especially after he was owning all of Earth's heroes in that JLA Unlimited cartoon, haha.


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Moondragon can take him by herself, using mental powers. The mind does not seem one of SBP's strengths.

Thanos has mental defenses SBP (or DC) lacks.


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