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Lets drop Thor's strength and duribility down to that of Conan's. He still gets to use Mjolnir as well as he usually does. It is simply the strength and duribility of a god that he is denied.


Thor w/o his Strength & Duribility

vs [not a gauntlet]

1. Green Lantern [Kyle]

2. Magneto

3. Hercules

4. Ironman

5. Thing

6. Wolverine

7. Dr. Strange

8. Spiderman

9. Namor

10. Thor [with all his strength and duribility but no Mjolnir]




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Nucleon






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    Lets drop Thor's strength and duribility down to that of Conan's. He still gets to use Mjolnir as well as he usually does. It is simply the strength and duribility of a god that he is denied.

    Thor w/o his Strength & Duribility

    vs [not a gauntlet]

    1. Green Lantern [Kyle]


The Rings undoubtely are more toolific than the Hammer, but the Hammer commands raw manipulation of fundamental forces; Thor is beaten down until he figures out he can drain the Ring's juice, then his barbarian physique is enough to overcome Kyle. If it was Hal, it would be harder.


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    2. Magneto


Using the environment, Magneto entraps Thor after an interesting exchange


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    3. Hercules


I fear Herc might beat Thor here.


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    4. Ironman


Thor wins by energic manipulations, between two deflections.


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    5. Thing


Once again, this Thor will have troubles when facing bona fide bricks like the Thing. Unless he BFR him, but we all know here that BFRs are no real victories...


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    6. Wolverine


Thor should lose; Wolverine is a skilled HTH fighter - what this Thor is no more. And Wolverine has no outside power source that Mjolnir can target.


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    7. Dr. Strange


He's got good chances vs Strange; Mjolnir should be comfortable in this kind of fight.


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    8. Spiderman


I favor Spiderman, for the same reasons I favored Wolverine.


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    9. Namor


And Namor, too.


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    10. Thor [with all his strength and duribility but no Mjolnir]


Well, in this case, I favor Mjolnir.





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    Lets drop Thor's strength and duribility down to that of Conan's. He still gets to use Mjolnir as well as he usually does. It is simply the strength and duribility of a god that he is denied.



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    Thor w/o his Strength & Duribility



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    1. Green Lantern [Kyle]

He isn't likely to beat Kyle in this form, the Ring in his hands is going to be near impossible to overcome even with the Hammers weather manipulation....


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    2. Magneto

He's proven to have a hard time with Magneto even at full power so no real chance in this diluted form.


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    3. Hercules

He has a reasonable chance if he employs the Hammers weather manipulation straight-up but i still wouldn't give him a majority as Hercules has a massive physical edge and Thor can't afford any error of judgement.


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    4. Ironman

I'd say very little chance for Thor as Iron Man should be able to handle anything he has, he'd need a bit of luck to win this as his durability is near non-existent.


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    5. Thing

Same as Hercules near enough, if he calls down the lightning he can finish it immediatly.


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    6. Wolverine

Good fight, Both even out to an extent but Wolverines edge in stamina and durability is likely to see him the hot favorite to outlast Thor.


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    7. Dr. Strange

Thor has no chance really.


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    8. Spiderman

Thor gets beat down, Spider-man is way way faster and would be near impossible for him to handle.


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    9. Namor

Same as Hercules. Namor should be just about tough enough to take a lightning hit and his mobility leaves Thor sunk real fast...


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    10. Thor [with all his strength and duribility but no Mjolnir]

Same as Hercules, Thor would be too tough in all liklihood.









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The Real Lance Eason




I'm surprised you favor Herc, Namor, Spider-Man, Thing, etc. over this version of Thor but favor this Thor over Thor w/o Mjolnir.
My guess is Thor w/o Mjolnir is a more powerful brick than the Thing and about dead even with Herc (with a very slight edge to Herc in strength and fighting skill, maybe, but realllly slight).

What was your reasoning on this matter?


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Zeeder





Thor w/o his Strength & Duribility

vs [not a gauntlet]

1. Green Lantern [Kyle]
Normally, I think Thor stomps Green lanterns. Thor would have to use the hammers abilities alot more than he usually does to take a majority.
Kyle 8/10

2. Magneto
Mags 8/10 I think Mags would handle lightning attacks better than most. or he should anyway.

3. Hercules
Hercules dominates. Massive lightning might bring him down, but it would anyone listed.

4. Ironman
Ironman could be overloaded, or maybe not depending on average showings. Tony takes majority though.

5. Thing
Thing should take a majority on average.

6. Wolverine
This would be awesome, but all it takes is one hit from wolverine.But if thor is serious I'd say toss up.

7. Dr. Strange
Actually, this battle is pretty much the same. In order to fight strange, the hammer would always be his best bet. Physically, Thor is still strong enought to put Stephen out with one hammer hit or punch.
Thor's physical advantage only helps if strange is blasting him.

8. Spiderman
Spiderman is going to dodge, web his hammer down, and knock him out.
Spiderman slight majority.

9. Namor
About same as hercules.

10. Thor [with all his strength and duribility but no Mjolnir]
This Thor wins EVERY SINGLE TIME. The reason being, he would have just as much control over the hammer. He could disarm and pick it up etc... he is also immune to lightning. Not sure what HammerThor could do to put him down.


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Nucleon





... That's not a bad inquiry.

I guess that Mjolnir being made by Thor's father, its influence on him is augmented and... Thor knows himself...



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Urban Cowboy





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    Lets drop Thor's strength and duribility down to that of Conan's. He still gets to use Mjolnir as well as he usually does. It is simply the strength and duribility of a god that he is denied.



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    Thor w/o his Strength & Duribility



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    1. Green Lantern [Kyle]

Edge to Kyle


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    2. Magneto

He's beaten Magneto before without using his godlike strenght and durability. But since the Hammer is metal, Mags takes most.


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    3. Hercules

Herc


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    4. Ironman

Thor has controled the electricity in electrical objects before. He has a small shot at beating him, but IM wins 6 out of 10. But let Thor have more pratice at this sort of fight and it becomes at least even, possiblby even an edge to Thor.


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    5. Thing

Depends of if the lightning will take him. I still give the edge to Thor.


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    6. Wolverine

The Adamantium skeleton should draw Thors lightning like lightning rods. Thor wins


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    7. Dr. Strange

From a distance Strange might win. If it gets up close, Thor.


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    8. Spiderman

Spiderman will dodge the lightning and close the gap between them to KO him with one punch.


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    9. Namor

Edge to Namor


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    10. Thor [with all his strength and duribility but no Mjolnir]

The Thor without Mjolnir



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1. Green Lantern [Kyle
Kyle may win a slight majority just because he's used to being a normal powered dude with an u ber weapon

2. Magneto
This is the part I've never understood. Magneto is a fairly frail dude with uber powers. Thor is Conan level with one of the most pwerful weapons ever yet no one gives him a chance against Mags. Thor 6/10
3. Hercules
Thor just relentlessly hits him with lightning strikes and antiforce until he falls.
4. Ironman

Thor taking out Ironman last they fought had nothing to do with his strength but a massive strike that shorted out the armor. Can't see why he wouldn't be able to do it again
Thing
Same as Herc except easier. Thing can't withstand even half the hammers attacks6.

Wolverine
Thor absolutely fries Wolverine. Everyone seems to forget Thor can still fly with the hammer. Wolvy is at a massive disadvantage. A couple of lightning strikes and Logan is down for the count

Spiderman

Spidey can't dodge hurricane winds and lightning at the same time. He goes down, Thor has the sense to stay airborne making it hard for Spidey to get within striking range.













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The Real Lance Eason




I think Thor knowing himself is the more important factor of the two, however. I haven't seen any evidence of Mjolnir having any greater effect on Thor than on anyone else. If anything, since some of its powers are extensions of or ways of focusing his natural power, I would suspect he might be somewhat immune to their effects (in the way that, say, the Human Torch is immune to his own flame).
I find it hard to believe that Thor can summon and stand unharmed in the midst of storms meant to be daunting to foes that are his physical rivals without being at least somewhat immune to Mjolnir's power. However, I haven't seen any concrete evidence to go that way either, so I figure it's best to assume that he is neither more nor less vulnerable to the hammer's effects.
For what it's worth, my money's still on hammerless Thor here.......mostly because Thor has the strength and durability to withstand most of the hammer's attacks at least for awhile, whereas the humanized Thor wouldn't be able to take even a single glancing blow from his super-strong counterpart.
So with equal skill and presumably equal speed (although hammerless Thor is probably much faster, thanks to his strength to weight ratio) , hammerless Thor needs to land only one blow in the whole fight to win, whereas humanized Thor will need to do more than that unless he can catch the other Thor with a godblast.
Humanized Thor will have two advantages in terms of scoring hits: distance attacks and flight. So he probably will score more hits but not enough, IMO, to put hammerless Thor down before getting the one hit he needs to win the fight. At least not a majority of the time.


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    Lets drop Thor's strength and duribility down to that of Conan's. He still gets to use Mjolnir as well as he usually does. It is simply the strength and duribility of a god that he is denied.


You state Thor uses Mjolnir as well as he usually does, but assuming he knows his physical powers are reduced I would assume he would start relying on using the hammer's powers more. He usually does not because he is physically powerful enough to take on most threats, but he has enough sense to use the hammers powers when need be.


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    1. Green Lantern [Kyle]


Kyle has a good chance if he acts fast enough, but I see Thor quickly figuring out how to absorb the ring's energy. Thor 5/10.


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    2. Magneto


Magneto if he acts fast enough. Otherwise Thor uses Mjolnir's em powers to beat him.


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    3. Hercules


Hercules is tough enough to power through most energy attacks Thor hits him with to get close enough and take him out. Thor's only hope is a tornado to pick Herc up and keep him at bay for the energy attacks to finish him.


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    4. Ironman


Iron Man's combination of abilities I would say take the majority unless he can't handle some of the more powerful attacks.


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    5. Thing


Same as Herc, but due to lesser durability goes down easier.


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    6. Wolverine


Thor can win many of these. He demonstrated great fighting skills as a depowered mortal before and can summon a storm to knock Wolverine out.


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    7. Dr. Strange


Strange is human. If he acts fast enough he wins. Otherwise I think Mjonlir can nullify most magic and one punch takes him out.


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    8. Spiderman


Too quick.


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    9. Namor


See Hercules.


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    10. Thor [with all his strength and duribility but no Mjolnir]


Thor wins.



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The Real Lance Eason




I'm not part of the "Thor-just-doesn't-use-Mjolnir-to-its-potential" crowd, BUT we usually see him using Mjolnir as if it's one of the tools in his arsenal (along with his strength, durability, etc.), which is totally logical under normal circumstances. A massive lightning strike or a punch in the face from one of the strongest gods in history, kind of a toss up a lot of the time; he probably goes with whatever works at the moment.
Now if for some reason, Thor is unaware that he's just lost his strength and durability or is too stupid to see how it could cost him, and uses Mjolnir exactly as he does in any other fight, he might well lose all of these as he won't be keeping his now human self out of harm's way. Most of these guys have attacks that could k.o. or kill Conan (or a Conan-level Thor) with one hit if he doesn't watch out.
But Thor's not really that stupid so I will assume he has the knowledge of Mjolnir and the expertise in using it that he normally possesses, and understands what has happened to him and will adapt his fighting techniques accordingly. Ergo...

Thor w/o his Strength & Duribility

vs [not a gauntlet]

1. Green Lantern [Kyle]

I personally think Mjolnir's power is greater than that of a GL ring. I also think Thor IS an expert at using it. But even though he is aware that he will have to rely on the hammer almost exclusively, he isn't as accustomed to fighting that way as Kyle or most GLs are. If the fight happens to turn physical, Conan could overwhelm Kyle about as quickly (though not nearly as completely) as Thor could at full strength. If it turns into a physical brawl for even two seconds, Thor k.o.'s him.
Most of the time, though, I don't see that happening. Kyle is used to protecting himself with the ring at all times (don't the rings even try to shield the users automatically?). As the Dream Lord told Kyle, also, his fear will be an asset - unlike, say, Hal, kyle will be petrified to drop the ring's defenses if he gets a glimpse of Thor's offensive power.
Whereas Thor will not be used to keeping up that sort of defense constantly (and the hammer isn't built for defense quite as much, probably because it was forged for one of the strongest and most durable beings in the universe; he can put up impenetrable shields by spinning the hammer around him and creating a vortex, but he can't really fight while that's going on).
Long story short (sort of), Kyle will have the chance to sneak an attack in here and there from a distance and while safely shielded that will take out a human-durability level Thor instantly.
Of course, there will be times that Thor simply overwhelms Kyle's defenses with the hammer's sheer power and even an incredibly small percentage where Thor manages to bring the fight to a physical level and wins.
But I'll give Kyle a majority here, maybe 7/10. If Thor had years to operate at this level and become accustomed to it, he'd probably turn that around.

2. Magneto

Similar scenario here, but I think Mjolnir is more specifically suited to assaulting Mags' defenses (and defending against his attacks). I think Thor could use Mjolnir to defuse some of Mags' shields and assault him with, say, hurricane winds or a Conan-style punch in the jaw. I still give Mags a majority here, for much of the same reasons as Kyle, but because Thor will have better understanding of and counters to Mags' powers, the majority is slighter, probably along the lines of 6/10 or slightly less.

3. Hercules

These two know each other well. Both can use that to their advantage. Thor will damn well know to keep away from Herc and attack from a distance, but Herc will be able to withstand a great deal of punishment and use the environment to mount his own distance attacks (Hulk-style handclaps and earthquakes via ground hits, hurled boulders, cars, etc.). He also will be determined to bring the fight to Thor physically and aware of Thor's fighting style enough to look for openings to do so. I guess this comes down to the classic distance fight; can Thor put enough hurt on Herc before Herc gets in close and ends it with one shot? A lot of the time, yes, but I'd say more often than not, no. Herc is too strong and durable, it's going to take a lot of hits to take him out but he only needs one. Herc wins 7 or 8/10.

4. Ironman

We can look at this two ways: either Thor already has I.M.'s number and knows how to take him out quickly without using any non-Mjolnir related powers, or I. M. knows how Thor will attack in this kind of scenario and has prepped for it.
If Stark's prep actually works, he probably takes this; Mjolnir still has more firepower than he does but he has more durability than this version of Thor does. And he has the maneuverability, flight and speed to get in and finish Thor off. The human-powered user is Mjolnir's achilles heel in most of these fights, natch. I say that Stark has tried to prep against Thor taking him out like he did before, but still doesn't know how much power Thor can really pump out. So then it comes down to Thor pumping enough power into Tony's suit to overload it before he can get an iron fist in the snoot. Because Thor will come right out of the gate with this attack most likely, I figure he puts Tony down a good percentage of the time, but probably not a majority. Slight edge here to I.M., 6/10.

5. Thing

The Thing is incredibly strong and durable, but not on the level of Hercules. He also doesn't have IM's flight or maneuverability. But Thor will know just as well as with those guys not to get in close and to pour on the EP. Ben can't take it as long as Herc can, and probably goes down before landing a punch more often than not. Thor 7/10.

6. Wolverine

Not nearly as strong or durable as Ben, but faster and meaner with a strike just as likely to take out, even kill, this version of Thor with one strike (the claws) as Ben has. His healing factor actually gives him a better shot here than Ben, especially as he is more likely to find a way to get to Thor, but I think lightning still does the trick especially to metal skeleton guy. So Thor 6 or 7/10.

7. Dr. Strange

Always a wild card, Strange is an even more vulnerable human here than Conan-ized Thor but has vast mystical power. Mjolnir's power is vast but Strange taps into resources that he doesn't really own himself but can access at will, so an almost unlimited supply of power. Plus he will have access to a greater variety of effects and greater skill at manipulating the power than Thor. And surely knows a bit about Mjolnir's powers and nature.
Then again, he's no warrior and not used to fighting on a physical level; a Conan-level strongman with Thor level skill and a bludgeon that has been effective against the likes of the Hulk is a pretty serious physical threat.
I'd say Strange finesses a win the majority of the time and falls to Thor's still superior physical attacks every now and then.
Strange 7/10.

8. Spiderman

Spidey wins a few by bringing the fight to Thior using speed, agility, spider-sense and webbing but Thor keeps airborne and attacks with forces Spidey is helpless against most of the time. Thor 9/10. I'd give Spidey better odds than Wolverine except for Logan's healing factor.

9. Namor

Namor should have what it takes to win this. He absorbs lightning, almost any hurricane attack is likely to have some water in it, strengthening him. His strength and durability are close to Herc's level, his mobility is closer to Iron Man's. Thor would probably have to really pour on the punishment with Mjolnir's EP attacks or get creative (maybe using a wind tunnel to dehydrate Namor somehow?) to win most of the time here. Namor 7 or 8/10.

10. Thor [with all his strength and duribility but no Mjolnir]

I say Thor without the hammer with his strength/durability beats Thor with Mjolnir but human level strength. See Nucleon's reply to this thread and my responses to him for my reasoning.


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ODH




10. Thor wins 100% of the time.


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