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Banned powers are no multiple Man...no power stealing ala rogue, or mimic...I will think of more if the need arises.

NO PREP!

NO Enemy info!

You get the knowledge of the dominant mind you choose and you get the experience of the person who the other powers belong to...but it is still up to the dominant mind to use that power as he/she sees fit.


The way it works(For those that don't know) is you choose 3 characters after you choose the 3 characters you choose who the dominant mind will be. Remember you get powers(strengths) as well as weaknesses...once you have created your character and an overall concept...you have to(Dark Marvel Tradition)name your character.

P.S. Powers Stack!!!

1. Ragnarok-Black Adam-BANNED!
2. Thorion-Full powered Magneto-BANNED
3. Liam Gallaghers Unibrow-Thor-BANNED!
4. Arcanix-Dr. DOOM-BANNED!
5. Exes-Beta Ray Bill-BANNED!
6. Tongan Giant-Majestic-BANNED!
7. RANDOM-Martian Manhunter-BANNED!
***Just the character...not the race...I agree whole races cannot be part of the banning...it's racism and I won't be part of that.

8. Nucleon-Blackbolt-BANNED!
9. Incriptus-Darkseid-BANNED!
10. BK Ray-Loki-BANNED!
11. Reedification-Juggernaut(gem of cyttorak)-BANNED!
12. Late Great Donald Blake-Silver Surfer-BANNED!
13. Hatman-Hulk-BANNED!
14. Joe Fixit-Superman-BANNED!
15. Los-STONECUTTER-BANNED!
16. Oculporate-Uber Cable-BANNED!




Environments and more rules(which are the obvious ones) will come later.

1 Utopia(X-Men Island)
http://www.comicvine.com/utopia/34-56536/
2.Themyscara
http://www.comicvine.com/paradise-island/34-56187/
3.Kyln
http://www.comicvine.com/the-kyln/34-56324/
4.Tower Of Fate
http://www.comicvine.com/tower-of-fate/34-55851/
5.The Carrier
http://www.comicvine.com/the-carrier/29-40548/
6.Murderworld
http://www.comicvine.com/murderworld/34-41963/
7.Antarctica
8.K'un-Lun
http://www.comicvine.com/kun-lun/34-56104/
9.Genosha(Ruins)
http://www.comicvine.com/genosha/34-40967/

Ok Todays match up!!!

LGU

Old Man Nathan

Herald: The High
http://www.comicvine.com/the-high/29-24389/
PM: Deathverine
http://www.comicboards.com/app/show.php?msg=comicbattles-2009051216234311&search=deathverine
EM: Cable (classic)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(comics)
Item: Nega Bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Mar-Vell)#Powers_and_abilities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genis-Vell#Powers_and_abilities

vs

Reedification
MagiX

Herald: Nate Gray
Prime Meta: Enchantress
Enhanced Meta: Sandman
Item: Nega Bands

Location-K'un-Lun
http://www.comicvine.com/kun-lun/34-56104/




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Dark Marvel


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 5,950



First of all, best of luck to Reed, always a pleasure!



Let me just start off by saying that, if this fight were to go to a pure psychic duel I would lose. Despite the stacked healing giving me something very much akin to uber Cable, Nate Grey os just that extra bit more powerful in that department.

BUT.... and this is a big but....

....Deathverine isn't stupid. He was specially prepped for all the X-Men - a roster that included Nate - and he knows how powerful the lad can be. If he chooses it, Nate will never be able to touch him mentally.

Deathverine was basiclaly the anti-psi; not only was he completely immune to mind-reading, his weapons were able to deflect and redirect psychic energy, and his attacks seemed to specifically target and drain psi-users. He basically ignoed the telepathic and telekinetic assaults from 3 of the most powerful mutants around. And Nate was one of those, by the by (albeit not at Shaman levels).

Here he nearly KO'd Nate by attacking his TK shields:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi2.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi3.jpg

Cable notes that Death is completely immune to psychic scans:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi4.jpg

Just to back that up, the only way Jean Grey amped by Cerebro was able to detect Death was by his teleporting energy signature - she couldn't track him mentally:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi9.jpg

Death can track psi-signatures (no hiding from him!):
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi5.jpg

Death can somehow cause massive psychic feedback that causes all psi-users massive pain (Nate included). He can do it remotely, as shown here:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi6.jpg

Here Death completely no-sells an all-out Jean Grey's assault until she is drained and helpless:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi7.jpg

And finally, the sword can deflect psychic energy apparently:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vspsi8.jpg


So yeah, despite Reed's advantage in that department, between Deathverine's uber defenses and his own uber Cable-esque psi-power in this tournament, my amalgam is so heavily proofed against psychic assault I think it is the worst possible way to attack him.


Reed's other method of attack is the Enchantress' magic, of course. My amalgam isn't quite as well proofed to that, but he does have some defenses. Between some uber TK and the Nega Bands, my amalgam is packing some potent energy manip.

We know for a fact that the Nega Bands can manipulate magical energy to some degree:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vsmagic1.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vsmagic2.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vsmagic3.jpg


Add on the High's durability and the stacked healing and I think my amalgam is fairly well defended even against that avenue of attack. Not to mention the fact that to target a spell, you have to be able to track your foe, and the High is much, much, much, MUCH faster than Reed's amalgam.



In terms of the offense, Reed's amalgam is a tough nut to crack. TK shields are Deathverine's speacilty at cracking though, as seen with his encounter with Nate. So the problem becomes Sandman's pliable body.

Obviously Logan's claws aren't much good here, but that's where the High comes in.

Sandman can and has been dispersed by powerful enough punchers. Captain Britain did it:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vssand3-1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vssand4.jpg

And Namor took him out with one punch:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vssand1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vssand2-1.jpg


He can reform from it, but hit him hard enough and disperse him far enough and it gets harder. The High hits a lot harder than either a dry Namor or Captain Britain, so when he connects he will cause big problems.

Even if dispersal doesn't outright stop Reed's amalgam, it can set him up for the High's other trump card: heat vision.

Sandman doesn't mix well with heat:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vssand2.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vssand3.jpg

The High packs heat vision hot enough to melt people into ash instantly.

There is also a possibility that Deathverine's sword could do something to disrupt Reed's amalgam's physical body. It worked on a phaser, and whilst clearly it's not the same, it's a possibility worth exploring.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/vsphased.jpg



So to sum all that up more briefly:

1. thanks to Deathverine, even Nate Grey's prodigious psi talents are severely limited, and in fact may prove to be a liability.

2. Nega Bands can manipulate and defend against magical energy

3. my amalgam is much, much faster, psi-shielded and has cloaking tech making him invisible to the naked eye.

1 + 2 + 3 = my amalgam is very well defended against Reed's.


Via hitting really hard, heat vison and Celestial tech I believe I also have the capacity to put him down physically eventually. Even at his most powerful Nate's stamina was always an issue, so enough of a pummeling and Deathverine's anti-psi measures should leave him open to a psychic assault from a fresher opponent as a last resort.


Whew! If you read all that, much respect!

Good luck again Reed, may the best amalgam win! \:-\)




Cheers.




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RANDOM




Reed wins. Death only did so well through one sided prep. I believe in the end Cable managed to defeat him. Shaman is an whole new category and with the added strength of the Enchantress should be able to overwhelm LGU's defences. Added to that is the fact that Nate can just physically jump into the Astral plane and once the fight is fought purely there then LGU has no chance.


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Ragnarok




These two amalgams have an awful lot in common at first look. Both boast a top notch telepath and both wield the Nega Bands. So, I guess we can call those areas a wash. LGU noted taht Nate may have an edge over Cable in the psi department, but his scans with regard to Deathverine's defenses were highly persuasive.

That leaves us with the remaining pieces of the amalgams, and here these two teams couldn't be more different. The High and Deathverine give LGU top end durability, speed, flight, etc whereas Reed is much more elusive and tricky with the Enchantress' magics and Sandman's body. In the final analysis I have to give it to LGU because of his durability. I really don't see Reed's amalgam mounting a powerful enough offense to put down LGU, whereas LGU has proved in his write up that he has the means to take out the Sandman's form. I hope I don't meet LGU next round, but he gets the nod here.


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RANDOM




Cable = Emeta

Shaman = Herald
Enchantress = PMeta (but probably an Emeta psi.

How is this a wash.

It's like saying that because both the High and Sandman are strong then it's a wash physically.


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Amor Fati




I think the argument is that Deathverine's healing brings Cable up to his Uber Cable level.


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RANDOM




Don't buy it myself but it does have some validity


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Ragnarok




Yes, that was how LGU presented his amalgam and it makes perfect sense to me. Throw in the Enchantress psi and Deathverine's psi defense and I think it's a wash.


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LGU phone




The stack of Death and the High's healing does it. Neither's HF is equal to Deadpool's alone, but stacked they certainly would be.



Cheers.



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LGU phone




Yes, Death had one-sided prep and tech geared towards the X-Men and all their telepaths... Including Nate. I realise Shaman Nate is significantly more powerful, but in this fight so is Logan's own mental powers (should be at or around uber Cable levels - see above). Plus his defenses resisted three powerful psis in one go, not just Nate.

Cable never beat him as far as I am aware. He beat himself by escaping Apoc's programming.


Man, my fingers are too fat for these Blackberry keyboards \:\-\(



Cheers.



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Thorion


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 6,211



Amora has ensnared (Herald) level beings with her magics, and in everybody remembers (Secret Wars), she stoped (Xavier) from probeing the minds of her teamates





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Thorion


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 6,211




    Quote:
    Banned powers are no multiple Man...no power stealing ala rogue, or mimic...I will think of more if the need arises.



    Quote:
    NO PREP!



    Quote:
    NO Enemy info!



    Quote:
    You get the knowledge of the dominant mind you choose and you get the experience of the person who the other powers belong to...but it is still up to the dominant mind to use that power as he/she sees fit.



    Quote:
    The way it works(For those that don't know) is you choose 3 characters after you choose the 3 characters you choose who the dominant mind will be. Remember you get powers(strengths) as well as weaknesses...once you have created your character and an overall concept...you have to(Dark Marvel Tradition)name your character.



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    P.S. Powers Stack!!!



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    1. Ragnarok-Black Adam-BANNED!



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    2. Thorion-Full powered Magneto-BANNED



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    3. Liam Gallaghers Unibrow-Thor-BANNED!



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    4. Arcanix-Dr. DOOM-BANNED!



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    5. Exes-Beta Ray Bill-BANNED!



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    6. Tongan Giant-Majestic-BANNED!



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    7. RANDOM-Martian Manhunter-BANNED!



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    ***Just the character...not the race...I agree whole races cannot be part of the banning...it's racism and I won't be part of that.



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    8. Nucleon-Blackbolt-BANNED!



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    9. Incriptus-Darkseid-BANNED!



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    10. BK Ray-Loki-BANNED!



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    11. Reedification-Juggernaut(gem of cyttorak)-BANNED!



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    12. Late Great Donald Blake-Silver Surfer-BANNED!



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    13. Hatman-Hulk-BANNED!



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    14. Joe Fixit-Superman-BANNED!



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    15. Los-STONECUTTER-BANNED!



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    16. Oculporate-Uber Cable-BANNED!



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    Environments and more rules(which are the obvious ones) will come later.



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    1 Utopia(X-Men Island)



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    http://www.comicvine.com/utopia/34-56536/



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    2.Themyscara



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    http://www.comicvine.com/paradise-island/34-56187/



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    3.Kyln



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    http://www.comicvine.com/the-kyln/34-56324/



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    4.Tower Of Fate



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    http://www.comicvine.com/tower-of-fate/34-55851/



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    5.The Carrier



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    http://www.comicvine.com/the-carrier/29-40548/



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    6.Murderworld



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    http://www.comicvine.com/murderworld/34-41963/



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    7.Antarctica



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    8.K'un-Lun



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    http://www.comicvine.com/kun-lun/34-56104/



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    9.Genosha(Ruins)



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    http://www.comicvine.com/genosha/34-40967/



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    Ok Todays match up!!!



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    LGU



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    Old Man Nathan



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    Herald: The High



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    http://www.comicvine.com/the-high/29-24389/



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    PM: Deathverine



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    http://www.comicboards.com/app/show.php?msg=comicbattles-2009051216234311&search=deathverine



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    EM: Cable (classic)



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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(comics)



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    Item: Nega Bands



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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Mar-Vell)#Powers_and_abilities



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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genis-Vell#Powers_and_abilities



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    Reedification



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    MagiX



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    Herald: Nate Gray



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    Prime Meta: Enchantress



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    Enhanced Meta: Sandman



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    Item: Nega Bands



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    Location-K'un-Lun



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    http://www.comicvine.com/kun-lun/34-56104/








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Bk Ray




Good fight, but I think Reed takes it. Most bases are covered by both but I can't see LGU having an answer to the magic.


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LGU phone




The Nega Bands can manipulate and block magic like any other form of energy - see write-up for scans.

Combine that with VASTLY greater speed, skill and huge damage soak, I think I'm pretty well defended.



Cheers.


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Reedification





Uber cable was a mixture that was not average. Who says that wolverine or the Highs healing can combat the techno virus.



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Nate (shaman) psi is grater than uber cables, as is his telepathy. Amora has shown that she has spells that can completly shut down a mind gem enhanced Moondragon (in the secret wars) effectivly shutting down cable, or at least weakening him enough to where nate can take him down. remember nates psi is not just TP he has even more massive TK, that he has mixed with his phisical ability (to battle hulk). That mixed with Amora's ability to enhance herself and sandmans strength is more than enough to put LGU down.



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Nucleon









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LGU phone





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    Uber cable was a mixture that was not average. Who says that wolverine or the Highs healing can combat the techno virus.


The uber Cable story-line is the only one in which we see an uber healing factor react to the t-o virus. In other words, it set the only precedent we have for such a scenario.


So the only way to argue against it is really to suggest that both the High and Wolverine's healing are less than 50% of Deadpool's, which would be crazy.

So yeah, I really don't see how it is a reach or a stretch or whatever.




Cheers.




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LGU phone




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Reedification





First it seems that me and LGU are fated to fight in every tourney, and man I love it because he is one of if not the best. Good luck to him.
 
 
The Idea behind my amalgam.
 

  • Sandmans form mixed with shamans ability in Telekinesis to control even the smallest molecules will make him almost indestructible, even if he is completely dispersed he will reform (plus shamans TK shielding and Amora’s magic will add even more durability).  
  • The Nega bands will counter any Energy attack.
  • Offensively Shaman alone is a beast add on Enchantress magic and sandmans illusive nature he can do massive damage.
  • All of LGU’s stacked strength and massive damage capability will be useless. Swords and claws will be nothing.

 
 
The fight with LGU:
 
·        He has a great Idea in attempting to make Uber cable through healing factor mix, but as I saw it, that was a one in a million mix that defeated his techno virus. Not to mention that Wolverine already has celestial tech in his body (from appoc) his healing could be effected esp when it comes to tech, or the techno virus.
·        Amora can shut down psi (as she has shown in the secret wars) so that will take away all offensive weapons that LGU has.
·        We both have the nega bands so that is a wash.
·        Shaman overall is more powerfull than Cable, and as far as Experience with the power I am sure that Shaman has been on the herald lever far longer than cable has. Shaman has shown his power in some many creative ways it would be hard to mention them all.
·        LGU has no real defense against magic, the Nega bands can counter each other, not to mention knowing that he has them and what they are capable of amora can remove them from LGU’s monster with a teleport spell.
 
 
That is how I see it any how, again good luck to the very cool LGU.



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Bk Ray




Herald: The High
PM: Deathverine
EM: Cable (classic)
Item: Nega Bands


vs

Reedification
MagiX

Herald: Nate Gray
Prime Meta: Enchantress
Enhanced Meta: Sandman
Item: Nega Bands

I think Reed has an edge on psi, Enchantress has laughed at Xavier's powers after all. Even with your psi upgraded and having Deathverine's protection I think he has the edge.

Physically you have a huge edge. But Enchantress is around class 15? combine that with Sandmans powers and she has class 25 strength and maybe class 80 durability.

Reed's powerset gives him a lot of stealth. I think it's likely he can hide from you and his magic is something you maybe have some defence against but I don't think it's ever been displayed as auto-win against magic (your sans aren't to clear?). Even then he has his own nega bands to counter your effect.

Good amalgam LGU, but I'm sticking with Reed


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Deathvarine has celestial/mind control tech in him (from Apoc) who is to say that the programing that stops his healing factor from rejecting that, wont ignor the tech virus as well. also how well will the Tech virus do with tech already in his body?
 
Techno Virus + celesital tech = bad combo.



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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008





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    I think Reed has an edge on psi, Enchantress has laughed at Xavier's powers after all. Even with your psi upgraded and having Deathverine's protection I think he has the edge.


He does have an edge in psi, but as shown in my write-up the only way the fight will ever go that way is if Deathverine lets it. X-Man can't touch him even without Cable's powers. Every psi that ever tried to touch him not only outright failed, they got hurt for their efforts.


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    Physically you have a huge edge. But Enchantress is around class 15? combine that with Sandmans powers and she has class 25 strength and maybe class 80 durability.



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    Reed's powerset gives him a lot of stealth. I think it's likely he can hide from you and his magic is something you maybe have some defence against but I don't think it's ever been displayed as auto-win against magic (your sans aren't to clear?). Even then he has his own nega bands to counter your effect.


It's not an auto-win, but it is good defense against it. Combine it with near-infinitely greater speed, plus Superman-level durability with none of the weaknesses backed by adamantium skeleton and an uber damage soak.... I think he can tank most things thrown at him.

In terms of the stealth.... you honestly see him as sneakier than Deathverine? The guy can be completely invisible to the naked eye whenever he chooses to be, is completely 100% immune to psi-detection, and is an uber ninja.... not to mention he can also teleport, and now thanks to the High fly around at above light-speeds fairly casually.


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    Good amalgam LGU, but I'm sticking with Reed


Fair enough. I'll stop trying to sway you after this one I guess, but humour me a moment longer.... how exactly do you see Reed taking my amalgam down for the count?





Cheers.





Chancellor Liam, Dean of the Forgotten Green Academy of Gamma Sciences
"Hulk would have to be in a life or death struggle for a good 25+ years to BEGIN to start to surpass [Thor]." - MjolnirsPower
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Liam Gallagher's Unibrow


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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008





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    Deathvarine has celestial/mind control tech in him (from Apoc) who is to say that the programing that stops his healing factor from rejecting that, wont ignor the tech virus as well. also how well will the Tech virus do with tech already in his body?


Eh? His healing wasn't hampered at all. If anything, it was upgraded. He shrugged off a nuclear explosion going off in his face like it was nothing.


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    Techno Virus + celesital tech = bad combo.


I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion to be honest. Deathverine was never shown to have any implants like the Hulk was as a horseman, and the circumstances of his transformation were vastly different. Logan was given tech, all worn or wielded, not implanted, and mentally conditioned. Remember, he allowed himself to be controlled so Sabretooth didn't get the upgrade.

Factor in the High, who is Hulk/Wolverine ish healing levels himself... I'm really not seeing how the virus isn't purged ala Deadpool.

Either way, it's not that big a factor here. Deathverine can't be touched with psi, so even without Cable's powers he isn't getting shut down or controlled, and TK use always ended very badly against him. Him and his weapons are the ultimate anti-psi.





Cheers.







Chancellor Liam, Dean of the Forgotten Green Academy of Gamma Sciences
"Hulk would have to be in a life or death struggle for a good 25+ years to BEGIN to start to surpass [Thor]." - MjolnirsPower
I Fought the Law and the Law Won... A Judge Dredd Respect Thread
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Liam Gallagher's Unibrow


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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008





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    ·        He has a great Idea in attempting to make Uber cable through healing factor mix, but as I saw it, that was a one in a million mix that defeated his techno virus. Not to mention that Wolverine already has celestial tech in his body (from appoc) his healing could be effected esp when it comes to tech, or the techno virus.


It wasn't a one in a million mix. It was just the only time an uber healing factor has been tested against the T-O.

Wolverine was never shown to have tech implants. All of his upgrades seemed to be external. His healing was never shown to be lesser than normal, and if anything was actually operating better than before. e.g. the nuke feat.


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    ·        Amora can shut down psi (as she has shown in the secret wars) so that will take away all offensive weapons that LGU has.


That's not the only offensive weapon I have....

Also, even without psi my amalgam can't be put down by psi. No psis could touch him, Nate included.


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    ·        We both have the nega bands so that is a wash.



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    ·        Shaman overall is more powerfull than Cable, and as far as Experience with the power I am sure that Shaman has been on the herald lever far longer than cable has. Shaman has shown his power in some many creative ways it would be hard to mention them all.


Cable is a vastly more skilled and refined TK and psi user though, as is often the case with characters used to functioning on a lower level. Somewhat superfluous to this fight I feel as psi is the one area I don't see it being decided on, but worth a mention none the less.


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    ·        LGU has no real defense against magic, the Nega bands can counter each other, not to mention knowing that he has them and what they are capable of amora can remove them from LGU’s monster with a teleport spell.


The bands can manipulate magic. Proof the bands can be teleported away against the wearer's will? It's never happened to my knowledge. Not to mention the fact that Cable or Deathverine have teleportation powers of their own so could do the same thing to your amalgam, if such a tactic were viable.

Even without the bands, my character can move and foght faster than your amalgam can move or even think. Throw in Wolverine's mad skills plus stealth tech, I don't see him as an easy target to pin-point.


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    That is how I see it any how, again good luck to the very cool LGU.


Good luck to you as well Sir.... not that it looks like you'll be needing it of course!




Cheers.





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"Hulk would have to be in a life or death struggle for a good 25+ years to BEGIN to start to surpass [Thor]." - MjolnirsPower
I Fought the Law and the Law Won... A Judge Dredd Respect Thread
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LGU wins. I think he makes some good points in his write up



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First and formost, Amora can cast an indirect magic spell to cancel out Cables psi. Really your amalgam will know how to use the nega bands as well as mine will....not all that well. Amora can eaily overpower that with her magic.
 
You really dont have a way to hurt my character....I mean how, No matter what you can do I can reform and keep hitting you until something works...like suffication from sand.



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Man this is another slobberknocker, Good ol J.R. would be proud! Reed has the psi/tk edge no doubt, but LGU does have some defenses for it. I don't know if Cable would be at Uber levels, but it is a possibility. Either way, he will definitely be more powerful than normal. Though I don't think LGU can fully defend himself against Reed's psi or magic, his write up does present very convincing arguments against Reed's main methods of attack. There is however no question that LGU's amalgam is far superior physically. In the end I think LGU edges it because IMO he has enough psi/magic defenses to allow his amalgam to use his physical superiority to his advantage. Voting LGU on this bad mamma jamma of a battle!





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    First and formost, Amora can cast an indirect magic spell to cancel out Cables psi. Really your amalgam will know how to use the nega bands as well as mine will....not all that well. Amora can eaily overpower that with her magic.


I think it's somewhat speculative to assume she can overpower the Bands, but either way you still have a nearly incalculable speed defecit to overcome, plus Superman level durability with no overt weaknesses and an uber healing factor.


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    You really dont have a way to hurt my character....I mean how, No matter what you can do I can reform and keep hitting you until something works...like suffication from sand.


The High doesn't need to breathe.

Sandman's body is not and never has been immune to a hard enough punch. He's been punched out by people a LOT weaker than the High. Plus heat vision is baaaaad news for a body made of sand. Throw in the gulf in speed and skill, not to mention a plot device Celestial sword that showed the ability to target the minds of psi users directly and disrupt the physical forms of beings not in a solid state... your amalgam is a tough nut to crack no doubts, but it is doable.


Cheers.


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