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I think Joe Q is more an idea man than a writer but he is in charge of marvel much like Stan 'The Man' Lee was back in the day, so who has the most mojo?

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Bendis vs Morrison

Avengers writers: Bendis vs Roger Stern

Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns

Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman

Greg Pak vs Peter David

Mike Oeming vs JMS

Jack "King" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek

Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs Brian Bendis Secret Invasion


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Bendis vs Morrison

I definitely prefer Morrison. Every time I pick up something by him it blows my mind (and I can save the LSD for another day - economical!) His X-Men revamp brought me back to the franchise, (too bad it all went back to boring form), I tend to re-read my run of The Invisibles at least once a year, and his current Batman and Robin is the most interesting Batman has been in years.

Avengers writers: Bendis vs Roger Stern

I'll go with Bendis on this one. Stern was a little too status quo for me. I was interested in the way Bendis shook up the concept.

Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns

Geoff Johns. He has a greater respect for continuity.

Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman

Don't make me choose! Ok, I'll say Moore by a slim margin. I buy nearly everything he writes, but have not done the same with Gaiman.

Greg Pak vs Peter David

Peter David. Everything that happened in Hulk on Pak's watch makes me cry a little inside. Also, David is way more funny and clever. Naked Rick Jones covering little Ricky with an issue of Giant-Size Man-Thing = hilarity.

Mike Oeming vs JMS

Another tough one. I'll go with JMS not just because I'm an old Masters of the Universe fan, but his ability to make emotionally sweeping arcs work so well, (plus his cosmic sensibilities) give him my vote.

Jack "King" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek

So unfair! I'm going to say Kurt Busiek because I think he deserves a great amount of respect for showing so much of his own respect to the franchises he works on. Busiek's love of continuity, and his love for what he writes is apparent. Jack was on the ground floor with many great concepts and an ability for storytelling that MOST ARTISTS LACK TODAY, but he never got the opportunity to shine as much.

Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs Brian Bendis Secret Invasion

It is so interesting that you put these two events together specifically. For me, Secret Wars is the shark jump at Marvel that defines my collecting habits (all stories occurring before Secret Wars in continuity). Though I do lump it with SWII. While Secret Invasion was the event that made me COME TO THAT DECISION.






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The Goddamn Batman




I wouldn't call Joey Q a writer at all (although he did write NYX, which was awesome). He joined the industry as an artist (a very good one at that), and he's also a phenomenal businessman. I read an article in Wizard a couple months back detailing how he brought Marvel back from bankruptcy, and transformed it into 4 Billion Dollar company (at least according to Disney). However, Stan has definitely defined Marvel, and made the company what it is today (he's a brilliant creator). There would be no Marvel Comics without Stan Lee. I think he's got more "Mojo" than Quesada.

Now onto the battles.

Bendis vs Stern

Bendis' New Avengers was one of my favorite books. The first several arcs, right up until around Civil War, were fantastic; very enjoyable and fun reads. I think this alone makes me vote him over Stern.

Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns

This is hard to choose. I think Johns is more consistent with his quality, but Millar had some smash hits with his run on Ultimate X-men and the Ultimates, as well as Superman: Red Son, Old Man Logan, Chosen, and War Heroes (if he ever finishes it!). I'll side with Johns, but only by a smidgen, as I adore both writers' work immensely.

Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman

Both great writers, but Moore did write my favorite graphic novel of all time: Watchmen. Although I've never read Gaiman's Sandman (on my To-Do list), with Miracleman, The Killing Joke, and V for Vendetta, I've gotta give it to Moore.

Greg Pak vs Peter David

I haven't really read enough by these writers to vouch for either in this contest.

Mike Oeming vs JMS

JMS writes some great comics. I've never read his Spider-Man run, but Thor and Supreme Power are fantastic. Oeming's comics, while good, don't have that "next layer", that JMS' books do. JMS wins this.

Jack Kirby vs Kurt Busiek

Kirby is a brilliant writer, illustrator, and creator. The man had his part in creating almost every popular Marvel character, and developed my favorite series "New Gods" for DC. I don't think anyone really even comes close to his genius, when it comes to comics.

Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs BMB's Secret Invasion

I really didn't like either of these "events." Secret Wars felt very, very forced, and Secret Invasion had almost no cohesion to its narrative at all. However, both of the events lead to some great storylines in Marvel (Spidey's black suit for SW, and Dark Reign for SI), so they're not all bad. I'll give this to Secret Wars, as I enjoyed the overall story (as forced as it was) more than Secret Invasion.


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    I think Joe Q is more an idea man than a writer but he is in charge of marvel much like Stan 'The Man' Lee was back in the day, so who has the most mojo?
Quesada's a better writer, in my opinion. As readers, we all owe Lee a personal debt -- without him, who knows if we'd have comics today? -- in my opinion, but that doesn't mean we have to think he was a good writer. His stuff was mostly silly, scripted with juvenile dialogue, and lacking in all plot sophistication, in my opinion. By comparison, Quesada's writing is much better written in all those respects, I believe. As an adult, I can't sit through a Stan Lee story, but I could a story written by Quesada. I might not enjoy it, but I could probably finish it.
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    Bendis vs Morrison
I haven't read Bendis, but I have heard nothing but good things about his writing from people who don't prioritize fights over stories. As for Morrison, I think he's become a complete hack. I honestly don't understand the appeal of the work he's done since leaving JLA, and, looking back at his work on the League, I don't think it holds up very well. He had a lot of interesting ideas back then, but usually executed them very poorly, in my opinion. Nowadays, his ideas are ridiculous. His romance with community-college level metafiction is pretentious and played, in my opinion. His love affair with that low-grade postmodern stuff gets in the way of his storytelling, as far as I'm concerned. He really is terrible nowadays. Cool feats, at times; bad stories, always.
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    Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns
The only Millar I've read is Superman: Red Sun, which was simply awful, in my opinion -- especially the end, when Luthor beats Superman by writing "Why don't you just put the whole world in a bottle?" on a scrap of paper. Never in my life have I come across a worse deus ex machina than that. As for Johns, he wrote one good Superman story (Superman vs. Major Force), but that was it, in my opinion. I've read some of his Green Lantern work and found that he has nifty ideas but, like Morrison, poor execution. Not my cup of tea.
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    Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman
I have never liked Alan Moore. That he is often considered one of the greatest comic book authors ever or the greatest comic book author ever blows my mind and shows me just how pathetically low the bar is set for comic book writing. As for Gaiman, his Sandman series and Mr. Punch graphic novel are some of the best fiction I have ever read. Everything else I have read from him, like American Gods, 1602, Superman/Green Lantern, etc., I couldn't stand.
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    Greg Pak vs Peter David
I read Peter David's Hulk for a while. He had some good ideas, but their execution was too juvenile for my taste. I don't like jokey "comic book" humor and dialogue, and there was too much of that stuff in Hulk, and everything else I have read by him, for my taste.
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    Mike Oeming vs JMS
I only know these guys from scans, so I can't comment. Seems decent enough, though.
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    Jack "King" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek
Both are terrible, in my opinion. Kurt had a great day in the office with Superman: Secret Identity, as I recall, but everything else I have read by him -- JLA, JLA/Avengers, Avengers, Astro City, Trinity, etc. -- has been nothing but generic, poorly-plotted, character-less or character-betraying garbage. As for Kirby, he just wrote silly kids stuff, as far as I'm concerned. We owe him the same debt as we do Lee, I believe, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that his writing is good. It's not, in my opinion. It's brain dead.
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    Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs Brian Bendis Secret Invasion
Shooter's Secret Wars is terrible, as far as I'm concerned -- just more of the low quality fiction that reinforces the popular belief that comic are just for kids. As for Secret Invasion, I've read scans, and it doesn't seem all too bad. Its dialogue is better than the dialogue in Secret Wars, if what I have seen is any idication, at the very least.

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    Joe Q vs Stan 'The Man' Lee

Stan


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    Bendis vs Morrison

Morrison just on his JLA run alone....


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    Avengers writers: Bendis vs Roger Stern

Stern


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    Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns

tossup... when Millar is on HE IS ON... and Johns is scary consistant


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    Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman

Moore easily for me


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    Greg Pak vs Peter David

No contest for me... David had a SOLID 12yr run on the Hulk and I've enjoyed pretty much anything book he's written for.


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    Mike Oeming vs JMS

Oeming


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    Jack "King" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek

Busiek.. I like his style


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    Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs Brian Bendis Secret Invasion

OMG SHOOOOOOOOTER .......... Bendis makes me wanna rake my eyes out! true story



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I mean, yeah, his stories,now, may seem childish...but, you have to judge a work in the context of when it was written. There were a lot of classic elements to his stories, and they do stand the test of time, for as long as the reader looks at them from the mindset of the readers back then. Spider-man, the Hulk, the X-men, Fantastic Four, were all the products of some sort of radiation, which reflects that era's paranoia with the atomic bomb. It may seem outdated today, even infantile, however, if we put ourselves in the shoes of people back then, it's deliciously brilliant.

Joe Quesada. in contrast, gets his inspiration from some cliched japanese anime plot.

Bendis vs Morrison:

I gotta give it to Morrison. I think Bendis' early Ultimate Spider-man is one of the best re-imagining of Spidey, and just for that, I can't get angry at his treatment of Thor in Siege #1 and #2. But Grant Morrison's JLA alone reignited (along with most readers I know) my love for comics. His entire JLA run is solid.

Bendis vs Roger Stern:

No comment. I do not read their Avengers stuff.

Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns:

Although I absolutely dig Millar's Ultimates and Superman:Red Son, Geoff Johns is my current top favorite writer. Mark Waid seriously f@cked up Hal Jordan...Geoff Johns changed all that, and made him one of DC's top 3 characters, again (and no, WW is not one of them). Geoff Johns GL, Teen Titans and Justice Society are modern day classics, which 2 or 3 decades from now, will be regarded in the same vein as Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, McFarlane's/David Michelinie Spider-man, Alan Moore's Killing Joke, and all the other breakthrough series which influenced today's leading comic talents.

Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman:

This is actually very hard for me to choose. How can a parent choose between his two children? On the one hand, Sandman is, quite simply, brilliant, on the other, Moore's Killing Joke is my favorite Batman story of all time. I cannot choose. I have to say, ummmmm, tie. But, taking my cue from the latest episode of How I Met Your Mother, if I have to choose, given that certain terrorists have hijacked a plane piloted by Oprah, where my future children are among the passengers, and the only way to save them is if I choose one, then, I guess, I choose.... Neil Gaiman. Ohhhh... My head hurts.

Greg Pak vs Peter David:

Peter David. Greg Pak is too much of a Hulk fanboy. His objectivity is severely compromised.

Mike Oeming vs JMS:

JMS. His Spider-man and Thor are, for the most part, excellent. I know there were a few hiccups, like the supernatural spidey origin...but if we consider the entirety of his run, he really do have a strong grasp of both characters, and his stories are highly enjoyable, and sophisticated. His stories are free flowing, neither forced, nor contrived.

Jack "the king" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek:

I have to go with THE KING on this one. Let's consider this for a moment...Jack Kirby was one of the pillars of silver-age comics, helped create some of the most important characters today. That alone is enough for me to choose him over anyone, except Stan Lee. I writer/creator should be judged, not just how their stories were written (or drawn), but also on their contributions to the genre. Without legends like Lee, Kirby, Ditko, there are no Bendis, Gaiman, Geoff Johns, etc. And what about Busiek? Well, he did write that garbage called JLA/Avengers, and was a jerk the whole time in this message board back then....so, well, no contest. Besides, he phlagiarize most of his work (oh, yeah, some people call em "homage", i call em how i see em).

Jim Shooter's SecretWars vs Brian Bendis' Secret Invasion:

Jim Shooter's Secret Wars....I have nothing but respect for that man. His Valiant (early ones, before deluded other Valiant creators edged out their goose that laid the golden eggs) stories represented some of the best examples of what makes comics fun. His Secret Wars, well, OK, it's a but contrived, but then again, so is Secret Invasion (and Siege also, for that matter).


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Stan Lee helped created Marvel. Joe Q retconns it.


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Morrison based on his JLA run.


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    Avengers writers: Bendis vs Roger Stern


Stern. He's from the school of writers that relied on story and character to sell a book, unlike Bendis who's more of a gimmick man.


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    Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns


Millar is the other gimmick-only man (along with Bendis) who may have interesting ideas but cannot put them into a well told story. Johns has the ideas AND the ability, but more importantly he respects the characters.


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    Greg Pak vs Peter David


Peter David.


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    Mike Oeming vs JMS


JMS.


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    Jack "King" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek


Busiek.


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    Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs Brian Bendis Secret Invasion


Secret Wars - shaped a generation of readers. Secret Invasion - dissapointed a generation of readers.


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    I think Joe Q is more an idea man than a writer but he is in charge of marvel much like Stan 'The Man' Lee was back in the day, so who has the most mojo?


Stan Lee...hands down.


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    Bendis vs Morrison


Bendis for the first couple of years on Ult. Spider-Man...


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    Avengers writers: Bendis vs Roger Stern


Roger Stern.


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    Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns


Don't really care for Millar, but I can't recall reading a Geoff Johns book...N/A


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    Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman


I can't stand either of the hype for either of these guys -- but I did like Moore's 1963 series for Image...


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    Greg Pak vs Peter David


PAD has the longevity, not just on Hulk, but on Spidey and X-Factor...and Pak is relatively new. Have to go with PAD...


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    Mike Oeming vs JMS


Oeming. In the six-issue mini "Blood Oath", Oeming had more entertainment and action than JMS had during his entire run. JMS just gave us a lot of talk and insight as to how Asgardians make up for lack of a sewer system.


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    Jack "King" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek


Busiek. He had a hand in bringing back Jean Grey back in the 80's, wrote some great stuff in "Untold Tales of Spider-Man" and "Avengers", and "Avengers Forever"...
I struggled -- and I mean STRGUGGLED -- to read those Captain America issues that Kirby wrote back in the `70's. The man was an artist, not a writer.


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    Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs Brian Bendis Secret Invasion


I'll have to go with Shooter and Secret Wars. While finances forced me to sit out Secret Invasion, there was more of an impact from the Secret Wars series -- Venom being a prime example.




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    I think Joe Q is more an idea man than a writer but he is in charge of marvel much like Stan 'The Man' Lee was back in the day, so who has the most mojo?


As business men I'm not sure who I would say is better, but as writers I have to go with Stan Lee. I know some of his stories and dialogue can seem childish by today's standards, but I still find them enjoyable. Factor in the era they were written in and they were advanced stuff. I even like the stories he writes on occasions.

Joe Q is more of an artist. I think he has only written one or two things and while alright they were not great.


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    Bendis vs Morrison


I think I like Bendis better when he writes something that is his suite. I haven't read much of Morrison, but his stories from what little I've read can get hard to follow.


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    Avengers writers: Bendis vs Roger Stern


No comment. I think I've read some stories by Stern, but I'm not sure what.


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    Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns


Johns. Millar tends to start out with good ideas, but about halfway through the story or near the end logic falls apart as he writes to give the artists something neat to draw. He goes more for "cool" then story content


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    Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman


As comic book writers I have to go with Moore. Gaiman has done well if not great on what he has done and I think Sandman is one of the best series ever, but Moore has shown he can do more diverse writings and they all are very well done.


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    Greg Pak vs Peter David


PAD. He can take just about any character and have at least a decent if not great run on it. Pak has done well with the Hulk, but as yet to proof he can really write anything else. His Hercules started off great, but has become a bit too comedic for my liking.


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    Mike Oeming vs JMS


Overall I think I like JMS better, but each has their own style that I really like. JMS is good at the deeper meaning or higher purpose type stories. Oeming I think is a bit better at character moments and just writing a fun book.


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    Jack "King" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek


Busiek, Kirby's skills were at art. He could come up with good concepts, but his execution was not as well as some other writers.


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    Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs Brian Bendis Secret Invasion


Secret Wars definitly. Every issue felt like it had a purpose and was not just filler.




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Bendis vs Morrison
Depends on the genre. In classic four-colour team action, Morrison.
In street level intimate drama, Bendis.

Avengers writers: Bendis vs Roger Stern
Damn easy; Stern.

Mark Millar vs Geoff Johns
Johns

Alan Moore vs Neil Gaiman
Monsieur Alan Moore.

Greg Pak vs Peter David
On the Hulk? Pak.

Mike Oeming vs JMS
Oeming without hesitation

Jack "King" Kirby vs Kurt Busiek
Eeerrr.... Kirby is mainly an artist. As much as I appreciate his occasional writing, I think Busiek is saved by Astro City.

Jim Shooter's Secret Wars vs Brian Bendis Secret Invasion
Shooter's.


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