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JesusFan


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How would the Marvel demon do vrs either these 2 DC powerhouses?


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bd2999

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    How would the Marvel demon do vrs either these 2 DC powerhouses?


Impossible to say as it is plot versus plot here. Spectre at the heights of his power might well be able to stalemate him or stop him if that is what his duty is. Imp is sort of harder to judge. Who knows?




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JesusFan


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Depends on which Spectre Host! Jim corrigen one demolished the Demon, others not so much!

Think Mxy defeated Spectre, so he rates above both of them!


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Daveym 

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Not well. An Imp can do whatever they want naturally, but while The Spectre tends to be the last word on mystic force certain entities have either proven beyond his authority to affect or have some fundamental ability to counter his power. The Crispus Allen and Hal Jordan incarnations are the best examples of this fallibility but then it has to be borne in mind their power is not as great as it should be and neither have the experience and synergy of the Corrigan driven Spectre. Jordan's Spectre was specifically barred from accessing the Spectre's full power while Allen was shown to be unwilling or able to do the same, instead limiting the Spectre's influence to hunting murderers and generally dealing with low level matters.
However Zom being what it is isn't the sort of entity that fullfills that elite criteria for being immune to the Spectre's power, he isn't like Nekron or Libra he's just a bog standard demonic type.
Zom is a generic demon who is said to potentially be a universe shattering threat, comics are full of this sort of character. But since Zom does not have the prominence or proven threat level of a Surtur, Trigon, Mikaboshi or even 31st century Mordru I don't jump to conclusions about the characters chances versus any of these. As it stands I'd be wary about equating Zom to even Elders like Shuma Gorath, the King of Tears or Atum - the Demiurge... The Spectre should be well able to crush Zom on average.





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He is beyond Surtur his power was so great that the Living Tribunal had to come in and get rid and cast him out of the universe. His power is beyond any other evil in the Marvel universe.


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Daveym 

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I see. So, you didn't read what I said...

"Zom is a generic demon who is said to potentially be a universe shattering threat, comics are full of this sort of character. But since Zom does not have the prominence or proven threat level of a Surtur, Trigon, Mikaboshi or even 31st century Mordru I don't jump to conclusions about the characters chances versus any of these. As it stands I'd be wary about equating Zom to even Elders like Shuma Gorath, the King of Tears or Atum - the Demiurge... "

So basically I don't refute his power, I refute his importance. All of these Demonic types are in the same sort of bracket, all are solid universal threats, but if I did a top 20 of them Zom would not be in my top 5 frankly. And Likely not even top 10.
You will never, not ever, convince me 'Zom' is somehow more dangerous or sexy than the well established likes of Surtur, Mikaboshi, Nekron or Trigon - these have all well and truly walked the walk and talked the talk, whereas all Zom is is talk.

Hm, I'm sure somebody gets where I'm coming from with this... \(euh\)













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Judging from what we know of ZOM in comparison to those you named his power is by far greater. When Dormammu and Umar fear you and LT is needed to cast you out I tend to believe he is a greater threat if unleashed than the likes of Surtur and the others. I get your point being those you named have done alot more over the course of time but when ZOM shows up it takes the Heaviest of hitters in the cosmic landscape to rid the universe of him.


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Daveym 

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Sure, but the point here is that you can only destroy the Universe once. Zom is a threat to the Universe? Well All of those listed are. Most have been seen nearly destroying the Universe (and more) - Surtur in particular is actually predestined to do so.
It's all very well arguing The Living Tribunal considered his a great threat and worthy of a visit but on the other hand consider Thanos' various gambits to destroy the universe, The Scarlet Witch's recent multiverse busting, similarly Mikaboshi's attack in Chaos War, or Necrom and The Pheonix's implied threats to creation... all of those are more impressive than anything Zom have achieved thus far and all are equally worthy of a visit from the Tribunal based on that notion surely.
That he didn't intervene on any of these occasions should not be taken as automatically making Zom some special case, rather he's the exception. \(pirate\)



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JesusFan


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How would you see those beings in marvel IF compared to either the Imps or beings like Micheal/Lucifer over in DCU?


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