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Comicguy1


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This is the most powerful incarnation of Magneto, which is probably when he set off the worldwide EMP wave in the classic Fatal Attractions storyline. Mags can also do stuff like control blood flow to the brain and effect iron in people's bloodstream, can he not? I think that Mags can take this one. Speaking of, did the two of them encounter each other during World War Hulk? Or was Mags not part of the X-team back then? Thanks. Happy Holidays.


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Well, there was also a version of Magneto that created worm-holes.

Mags was not with the X-Men during WWH and did not face him.


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Man-Beast


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Magneto should take it. WWH had enhancements of his normal abilities, namely strength, durability, healing, etc. These power sets notably lack both real projection ability (Hulk throw debris!) as well as mobility in terms of flying, etc (Hulk big jump!)

So what WWH really had going for him was major foes making stupid, stupid decisions. (Citation: Doctor Strange). Several heroes that WWH took out would be capable of using their abilities to win fights without letting WWH get near them. And yet, thanks to plot armor, it comes down to a punching contest.

So on paper, I favor Magneto by a large margin (though I'm not sure Fatal Attractions was his highest power level - didn't he have Exodus boosting him?). Magneto can fly, keep Hulk away from him, or hell, just LIFT Hulk 10 feet off the ground and he has zero leverage or moving ability. At that point Magneto can leisurely move him into a volcano or a one-way trip to deep space. Or just create the world's largest ninja blender. It doesn't really matter, Hulk has zero counters.

All that said, any comic written with this fight would have WWH win this in a heartbeat. Too much WWH plot armor.




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    This is the most powerful incarnation of Magneto, which is probably when he set off the worldwide EMP wave in the classic Fatal Attractions storyline. Mags can also do stuff like control blood flow to the brain and effect iron in people's bloodstream, can he not? I think that Mags can take this one. Speaking of, did the two of them encounter each other during World War Hulk? Or was Mags not part of the X-team back then? Thanks. Happy Holidays.





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It's very simple.
Why would Doctor Strange get anywhere within the Hulk's reach. He's known the Hulk for years, he knows what he's capable of and he knows how to easily defeat him. He's subdued the Hulk numerous times. He even banished him from the Earth to the crossroads in the 1980s. He also knows that if the Hulk grabs him then he's done. Now, wasn't this battle near Manhattan, where there are about 6 million people? With all of the lives that the Hulk was threatening as WW Hulk, why would Doctor Strange get close to him instead of taking him out from a distance? Doctor Strange is much smarter than that.

Wait, I know why, because that doesn't sell comic books.

Then there's the Sentry - who I can't stand. Why would he stand there and slug it out with the Hulk around all those people that could easily be killed? He should've flew up behind the Hulk, grabbed him and flew the Hulk into outer space - which would've taken about 3 seconds.

Wait, I know why, because that doesn't sell comic books.


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    It's very simple.
    Why would Doctor Strange get anywhere within the Hulk's reach. He's known the Hulk for years, he knows what he's capable of and he knows how to easily defeat him. He's subdued the Hulk numerous times. He even banished him from the Earth to the crossroads in the 1980s. He also knows that if the Hulk grabs him then he's done. Now, wasn't this battle near Manhattan, where there are about 6 million people? With all of the lives that the Hulk was threatening as WW Hulk, why would Doctor Strange get close to him instead of taking him out from a distance? Doctor Strange is much smarter than that.


Dr Strange didn't get close to him. He confronted Hulk on the astral plane, across the city from Hulk. Hulk was somehow able to affect Strange's physical form via the astral plane.

Strange's unwillingness to banish Hulk to the Crossroads (or similar) was actually explained in the story (basically along the lines of "we've made him someone else's problem enough times; every time he comes back madder and stronger than when we sent him away; time to stop shirking responsibility").


Cheers.





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Those words show exactly how stupid the writing is. If someone was threatening the lives of everyone in New York City it wouldn't matter how many times it happened, Strange would still send him away to protect the innocent people - every time - no question about it.
If Dormmamu kept coming back threating a few million people Strange wouldn't say, "Well he keeps coming back so I'm not gonna stop him anymore."
He would do everything he could, as quickly as he could to save innocent people. So why didn't he do against WW Hulk?


Wait, I know why, because that doesn't sell comic books.


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    Those words show exactly how stupid the writing is. If someone was threatening the lives of everyone in New York City it wouldn't matter how many times it happened, Strange would still send him away to protect the innocent people - every time - no question about it.
    If Dormmamu kept coming back threating a few million people Strange wouldn't say, "Well he keeps coming back so I'm not gonna stop him anymore."
    He would do everything he could, as quickly as he could to save innocent people. So why didn't he do against WW Hulk?


Hulk wasn't threatening the lives of innocent people. He gave a window of non-aggression allowing a full evacuation to avoid civilian casualties.

Strange didn't decide that he wasn't going to attempt to stop Hulk. He just decided that sending him away to another world to be someone else's problem wasn't a feasible (or responsible) long-term solution.


Cheers.






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I think what 123 is saying is that, like a horror movie, they *gave* a reason for what they did. It just wasn't a good reason. I agree with both of you guys. I think it's ridiculous that they managed to have every single Marvel character decide to fist fight the king of punching. But I also agree with you that it's a Hulk story.

Yes, Strange could open a dimensional portal under Hulk from 10 miles away. He could move Hulk to a fake pocket dimension. He could do any one of a thousand things he has done before. Instead he decides he's gonna talk to Hulk. Then he decides to try to out punch Hulk as Zom. It's pretty ridiculous, but yeah, they gotta tell a story.

The "he's our problem" thing doesn't mean anything. Just teleport Hulk to a small moon and then you can try to talk to him all you want. He's not going anywhere.

How many of the heroes made absolutely inane decisions? So so many. But yeah, it's his storyline.

All of that is why I say - I favor Magneto on paper. But in a comic book they're gonna make Magneto do something stupid and Hulk will have a chance to punch him. Cause that's the only way to have a story.

But imagine a smart magneto and a smart WWH. And they go into an arena together. You really think Hulk is going to win that fight? how?




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      Those words show exactly how stupid the writing is. If someone was threatening the lives of everyone in New York City it wouldn't matter how many times it happened, Strange would still send him away to protect the innocent people - every time - no question about it.
      If Dormmamu kept coming back threating a few million people Strange wouldn't say, "Well he keeps coming back so I'm not gonna stop him anymore."
      He would do everything he could, as quickly as he could to save innocent people. So why didn't he do against WW Hulk?



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    Hulk wasn't threatening the lives of innocent people. He gave a window of non-aggression allowing a full evacuation to avoid civilian casualties.



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    Strange didn't decide that he wasn't going to attempt to stop Hulk. He just decided that sending him away to another world to be someone else's problem wasn't a feasible (or responsible) long-term solution.



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    Cheers.



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    Yes, Strange could open a dimensional portal under Hulk from 10 miles away. He could move Hulk to a fake pocket dimension. He could do any one of a thousand things he has done before. Instead he decides he's gonna talk to Hulk. Then he decides to try to out punch Hulk as Zom. It's pretty ridiculous, but yeah, they gotta tell a story.

He decided to punch out Hulk AFTER his hands were smushed since he couldn't cast any spells.


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    The "he's our problem" thing doesn't mean anything. Just teleport Hulk to a small moon and then you can try to talk to him all you want. He's not going anywhere.

Well all they have to do is send him to a peaceful planet and let him chill out.
He won't come back from that... Wait.
I think you're deliberately ignoring the fact that Hulk DOES come back , that has been pointed out twice now by LGU

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    How many of the heroes made absolutely inane decisions? So so many. But yeah, it's his storyline.

Not true.





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    Those words show exactly how stupid the writing is. If someone was threatening the lives of everyone in New York City it wouldn't matter how many times it happened, Strange would still send him away to protect the innocent people - every time - no question about it.
    If Dormmamu kept coming back threating a few million people Strange wouldn't say, "Well he keeps coming back so I'm not gonna stop him anymore."

The idea of teleporting Dorm away does not equate to not stopping him now does it?






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The point is that he never should've gotten his hands smushed.

If I had those powers I know I wouldn't have. The Hulk would have been gone in an instant and Strange is a master with his powers - he should have stopped him without hesitation, but like I've said, that wouldn't sell comic books.

You said that he does come back, well there comes a point - like threatening all of Manhattan - when you just have to send him somewhere that he can never return from - like the Sun. Yes, that means killing him before he can kill any innocent people.

Wait, that wouldn't sell comic books either.

So the Hulk gets another illogical win and makes others, who should easily defeat him, look stupid because he makes more money for Marvel than they do.




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      Those words show exactly how stupid the writing is. If someone was threatening the lives of everyone in New York City it wouldn't matter how many times it happened, Strange would still send him away to protect the innocent people - every time - no question about it.
      If Dormmamu kept coming back threating a few million people Strange wouldn't say, "Well he keeps coming back so I'm not gonna stop him anymore."
      He would do everything he could, as quickly as he could to save innocent people. So why didn't he do against WW Hulk?



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    Hulk wasn't threatening the lives of innocent people. He gave a window of non-aggression allowing a full evacuation to avoid civilian casualties.



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    Strange didn't decide that he wasn't going to attempt to stop Hulk. He just decided that sending him away to another world to be someone else's problem wasn't a feasible (or responsible) long-term solution.


That is true, but he also was not really going after Hulk at that point as he was capable of either. I mean he was still trying to talk with him too. He wanted another way around this at the same time rather than fighting.

IMO, the Zom thing was out of character for Strange. Given the proportional dangers. Zom was an entity threatening creation. Hulk was not doing that. That was always a stretch for me.






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    The point is that he never should've gotten his hands smushed.



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    If I had those powers I know I wouldn't have. The Hulk would have been gone in an instant and Strange is a master with his powers - he should have stopped him without hesitation, but like I've said, that wouldn't sell comic books.



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    You said that he does come back, well there comes a point - like threatening all of Manhattan - when you just have to send him somewhere that he can never return from - like the Sun. Yes, that means killing him before he can kill any innocent people.



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    Wait, that wouldn't sell comic books either.



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    So the Hulk gets another illogical win and makes others, who should easily defeat him, look stupid because he makes more money for Marvel than they do.



Plus, the black hole, plus the end of time...., and the list goes on, Dr. Strange ans similar comic book characters easily beat the Hulk and all similar characters and they all have powers and abilities to achieve that, but the win is going to take who is seeling more comics, not the one who would actually win the fight!
This is why I hate comics, it's about gaininig money and selling comics, not on who should truly win!

The same thing is about everything else, for example we don't need all the high-tech crap that we have today, they are completely useless, plus all those start ups have no true and no real value, they are simply made to be sold, not to benefit the society in any real way, plus all these companies and start ups are using marketing, public relations and psychology on how to brainwash everyone just to seel their products-and people are too stupid or simply don't care about it, I really hate this world, what it has become....


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